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Middle Nation Content Talks: Western Misconceptions About The West | Session 3

Middle Nation · 28 Oct 2024 · 139:19 · YouTube

Assalamu alaikum, everyone. Okay. So, before we start, Okay. So welcome everyone to our third and hopefully last session of the specific content out which are related to Western misconceptions, in general. In the first session, we went over the misconceptions about feminism, gender equality, you know, the Western misogyny, we can call it.

In the second session last week, we focused on the violence, extremism, misconceptions about other you know, calling other societies violent, calling them extremists when the West itself is the most extremist nation or civilization, if we can call it that way, in so many aspects. Right? And we covered most of them. And today, we will be looking at the last portion of these misconceptions. Of course, you know, one can spend days and days just talking about all of the misconceptions, but we try to separate it into these three distinct groups.

And today, we will try to address Western misconceptions about capitalism, about its economic prosperity, or even how they present it as economic superiority to some sense about freedom of speech, about democracy. And, of course, I will maybe try to lessen the talking about democracy and so on because there have been so many content talks about the facade of the democracy, right, or the facade. We have spoken about the corruption of the election process, about the how it's just a show. So we have really addressed the the democratic aspects, how it works in detail in previous sessions. So, of course, we'll try to address it because it's one of the biggest misconceptions, to be honest, related to the West, but we'll try to focus into other areas that we have maybe not spoken that much about before.

So welcome to all my speakers. First of all, welcome to all the listeners. Salaam Alaikum. Happy to have you here. So let's go, inshallah.

First of all, let's just focus on capitalism and economic prosperity. Alright? Because we usually hear how the West, you know, it's basically, again, projecting all of these economic values of free markets, of how business should be done, the World Trade Organization, how trade should be done, all of these different tools that are basically being dominated by The US through the IMF, through the World Trade Organization, through World Bank Group, you know, so many different international organizations that are related to the economic functioning of the global order. And, you know, The US is presenting itself at the forefront of this. Right?

That they are the ones who should be lecturing everyone how it should be done. So the West and, again, when talking about the West, just, you know, in case people have not been here previous sessions, we do not mean, like, a geographic location, but it's more about this mentality, right, this psychological state that they're in. K? And it's being represented, of course, mostly by Western Europe and The United States because they do share similarities in their philosophy, in their worldview, in their approach to world, approach to other civilizations, this Western supremacy. Okay?

So this is what we are trying to address. Because, you know, even in Europe, there are differences between Eastern Europe and Western Europe, etcetera. So just to be clear on this. So, again, the West and this quote, unquote civilization, right, it presents itself as this, like, you know, how to say it, number one, right, in economic prosperity, economic freedom, in freedom of speech, in democracy, And it uses all of these ideals to somehow assert its global superiority, right, or tries to impose its superiority onto others. Right?

But there is the system that we have addressed before that is totally, you know, intertwined with contradictions. Right? And as we will see, inshallah, there are so many examples where, like, there's this poverty and inequality, and it really plays very large parts of the population and the society. And the freedom is usually just in freedom in business and not freedom in the population and these type of,

you know, other civil activities as we can call them. So

let's start. I will try to ask, insha'Allah, my speakers some questions, and then we go on as is usually the case. So I wanted to ask, first of all, how does this Western celebration of capitalism, right, presenting itself in some manner, it really obscures the reality that even so many American states and regions, they even resemble if we try to calculate, you know, GDP and purchasing power parity or even, like, nominal GDPs. It really you can if you take it state by state, you can see that it's, like, comparable to so many third world countries, right, as they call them. There are so vast income inequalities, economic exploitation of laborers, economic exploitation of foreign countries, laborers in foreign countries, their own workers.

So how does how can this be, again, reconciled? Right? This is always my first question. Yeah. Because, you know, they're presenting themselves in some manner while the reality if one tries to look at the statistics and at the data and and really at the reality itself, it's complete opposite of what they're presenting themselves as.

Right? So let us maybe address some of these manifestations of the inequalities of the exploitation and so on. So if you have any ideas, my dear listeners, you know, or speakers, sorry, you are from different parts of the world. So you, of course, have different you know, I think that some brothers here are from Germany, some are from England, so you can see different aspects of this. Yeah.

So if you can please speak up and give us some examples of how do you see this misconception being, you know, actually manifested in reality.

Is it okay if I take the mic?

It's great, actually.

So, yeah, as you can tell by my accent, I'm the person who is from England, from The UK. So I'm not gonna talk about how it affects, you know, people in The States. I'm gonna talk about how it affects people in The United Kingdom because capitalism is often portrayed as the only option. They portray it as if it should be normal and it's the only way to live. Right?

And they say that because the West is the epitome of capitalism, the top of the leaderboard right now, They say that this is how life should look like. And this celebration of capitalism forces people into the idea, the general population, civilians, into the idea that this is the way that we should be living. And no matter how bad it gets in the country, people aren't generally going to be blaming the governments. They're not generally going to be blaming the the the capitalism itself. I mean, when you look at, for example, London, which is where where I live, I mean, more than 25% of all families in London are living below the poverty line.

They're struggling to feed their children, and almost 50% of the people in London are actually either on poverty line or below it. Right? So it it it it it that is a direct result of Western supremacy within capitalism. And they still push this idea of consumerism that the only way to move forward is this idea of financial stability and financial freedom and this idea of social mobility and telling you that capitalism is the only way for you to get any social mobility. And so people are always going to be illusioned by this idea of capitalism believing that they can move forward in this when in reality, the entire thing is a facade.

Like you said, it's a facade to to it it hides what the true idea of capitalism is, and it's to make the rich richer and not to help anyone in the entire country across the entire globe, across the entire West where not even just the West, but across the entire globe, but especially in the West where they push this idea that western supremacy within capitalism is the best thing that happened to the entire world and degrade everyone across the entire world for not following in the exact same steps as them. Did did that answer the question? Because I feel like it did, but I don't know if I worded it properly.

Yeah. Of course. And especially, like, they present capitalism if it's their own invention or something. Right? You know, even when I was studying economics, they'll be like, oh, yes.

So we had this guy. Right? Of course, he was from England. He was named Adam Smith. Right?

This is the father of, you know, free markets and free economic. Like, as if before that age, right, no one ever traded. There were no free markets. No one ever like, as if capitalism is just some invention again of the West. Right?

Like, you know, they always take something that exists already in other civilizations, other nations. Right? They put the label on it, and then they appropriate it. Like, hello? Really?

And it's it's really crazy. And we see this time and time again. Right? And especially with capitalism, I feel that it's very, like you know, it hits the eye. Right?

Like, you can immediately see what are you talking about. Right? Like, this is something that has always existed. You know? Like, you had the silk and road road.

Right? Silk Road before in China and, you know, stretching all the way to Europe. And what were these people, you know, trading at the handgun, or can someone, like, explain to me what were they trading based on? Was this not capitalism? Were these people not basically trading whatever they wanted with anyone who they wanted to trade with?

I don't understand, you know, this appropriation of things that exist and just trying to assert that it's yours, and you are the one who are trying to bring it to the world. Like, what are you trying to bring to the world? You just stole it because you saw that other people and other civilizations were already practicing this for two thousand years maybe before you. Right? Yeah.

Sorry, brother. I see you wanna speak up.

No. No. No. No worries, Karim. It's just that I wanted to comment on your saying that they it already existed, and that definitely is the case, which which you remarkably allured to when you said that the Silk Road had been there for two thousand years before and people knew how to actually trade.

The thing about the West is that they turned this thing into a a machine that would generate money regardless of human value. That's the unique thing about that about them, about what they did even when sister Iman was talking about London and and we're talking about London. So we're talking about, you know, a first world country. We're not talking about the global South. Somehow they were able to to to overturn things in such a way as that profit became the the goal after it was some source of income for kingdoms and empires in in the old or in the classical world or in the premodern world world.

And suddenly it became increasingly increasingly profit oriented that it made it made it made them blind towards anything else. Human suffering became nothing to them. Human suffering of the global self became nothing. And then as brother has mentioned already in many of his videos, it's now coming up or creeping up to their own societies. Treating their own societies in the same manner they were treating the societies of the global South.

So that's the unique part about them that they took capitalism and they were very extreme in their capitalism. It was not only a source of income became very profit oriented and profit and profit only was the the the goal here no matter what the cost. So

Exactly. Exactly, brother Omar. Like, as you mentioned, they always take anything that already exists, and they push it to the worst possible state imaginable. Right? Like, it's not that capitalism did not exist, but they appropriated something that already exists, and they used it in the worst possible degenerate manner that one can even not imagine previously.

Right? Yeah. Sorry, sister Lisa, please, and then sister-in-law.

Assalamu alaikum. Thank you so much for adding me on. I just have to add from my perspective. I agree 100% that capitalism is being pushed. It is part of the Western that you actually reiterated or or or clarified that when we say the West, it is not about the g just the geo geographical location.

It is more about the mindset because you can have that mindset within any within a person that is probably living in the global South. Now when it comes to capitalism, I agree. It is used or they would like to make it seem as if they came up with a concept of being rich. And then that is they also touted to be the end goal that there is nothing more important. That success is only measured as long as you have as much money in your bank account.

That you have this unhealthy mindset being promoted, such as you only need to sleep, like, four hours a day because you need to be, like, this rich person and that rich person. But they don't talk about the other hours where you need to be balancing it out with prayer and those type of things. It's just about making money. It's a very unhealthy mindset. And at the end of the day, the only ones that are benefiting is not even you and your family.

It is those capitalists that actually want you to work as hard as possible to make their money because that is how they operate is they use and and and and it's it's more predatory in terms of using people who with the with the idea that these are your goals. These are this is your purpose in life, which is not anything to do with what Allah has taught us, what your purpose in life is. So they do corrupt what it is that they teach to people, and it does spread because they are successful in in in spreading those type of of narratives. Another example that I would like to what I'd like to say from a South African perspective and where it is that the West operates with South Africa is, the first thing you'd hear is when a political decision needs to be made within the country that is for the people, and we want a humanitarian thing because this is what South Africa we value within the country. These humanitarian issues, then you will find a certain class of people.

The first thing they run to, the first thing they talk about is it's going to tank the rent. I mean, being, you know, having that humanitarian element, how will that really make, the rand, so ineffective and so, you know, tank it? It's it's a problem, you know, that they already fear that their wallets are going to be affected and that, they would have, they won't have salmon. They'd have to eat snook or whatever the case may be. I don't know.

But, you know, that that that is mainly the the first thing that, they have within their minds is that, they fear poverty. And that is because the West has instilled that, within them that that is how, you will be affected if you do not, do things the way that they want you to do it.

Absolutely. I completely completely agree with sister Nisa, and I agree with brother, no matter what he's saying earlier and brother Kenny, all of you. And I just wanted to add the point, firstly, that this is exactly why the military industrial complex exists in the first place. Right? The quickest way to make fast cash is to exploit, to kill, to hurt, to commit genocide, commit ethnic cleansings.

That is the quickest way to make money. And, essentially, what you're talking about what brother Karim was talking about earlier was that they changed capitalism from something that used to be used for trade across the entire globe, and they used it in a way to exploit people. So no matter the cost, no matter the human cost, they will do whatever they wanna do so long as it makes the money. And I I just wanted to say that that is exactly why something like the military industrial complex exists, and that's exactly why The US wants 40% of the military industrial complex. But, also, another point, addressing the the chart that is on here, it says, well, the national average in The UK is at 46%, whereas London is at 70%, which means that if you remove London from The United Kingdom, The UK will have a lower GDP average than basically every single state in The United States Of America.

Right? And so the wealth in The UK in London, especially so not just within The UK how big the inequality is. Within London itself, wealth is very, very unequal. Right? It's unequally distributed.

So in London, the top 10% of people with wealth in London hold almost 50% of all the wealth in London. Right? So you can see that the inequality within London is absolutely terrible, and then the inequality within The UK itself is absolutely terrible. So if you just remove the rich people, the people who own 10 who own 50% of London, again, the entirety of The UK would have a lower GDP than so many countries across the entire world. And this illustrates to you that capitalism within the West is not actually something good, and it is not actually beneficial.

And The UK is technically not even a first world country because this can actually be compared to countries across the entire world, countries like Bangladesh, countries like Pakistan. It can be compared to countries across the entire world, which means just like the phrase that a lot of people use, America is a third world a third world country with a Gucci belt on. The exact same thing goes for The UK. The inequality in this country is absolutely devastating. You would literally see so many people below the poverty line.

The the and and and think one of the biggest reasons for that as well is because of the fact that around 40% of Londoners are first generation immigrants, and then you have almost 70% of Londoners are actually not from The UK. And so they exploit the people within London, especially to be able to make this money. So it all ties back to not caring how many people they have to hurt to be able to make their pockets get fuller and fuller and fuller.

Yeah. I'd like to add also, like, when you especially when you talked about how they want to create quick quick profit using the military industrial complex. I mean, arms trading has not been something that is new. It's always existed for for centuries and for generations. It would it's always existed between Muslims and each other, between Muslims and non Muslims, between non Muslims and non Muslims.

The difference is is how what we call capitalism today. I mean, what I think happened is that the Western the Western colonized mind monopolized on the on the on the idea of trade being free and fair fair to to emphasize on that and basically took the phenomenon of free and fair trade relationships and turned it into what they named it as capitalism. And capitalism is basically trade that is free, but it's simply not fair. So where it's where you have trade that where the rules of the game, the rules of trade don't apply to everyone, and that's the biggest problem. And that's what distinguishes cap what what what we call capitalism from normal free, and fair flow of the market.

And I'd like to add also that with regard as well to the, like, the fact that it can be reflected also in in countries like The United Kingdom, just also The United Kingdom, but also in parts of our parts of our world, the global South, you can see that as well. So it is a a parasite that has managed to find its way throughout the entire globe. Some countries have escaped that, but many others haven't. So it's not only a unique phenomenon that exists just for the West, it has affected us as well.

There's another aspect of it, which is the, you know, the industrial revolution and the ability for mass production. And when you add that to the military industrial complex, it's devastating for the world. It's incredibly devastating and dangerous and destructive for the world because you have a situation now, like if you're talking about non military products, just regular products, a company has the ability to produce way more than there is a need in the society for their product, But they but they because they have the capacity to make so many, they need to sell everything that they make, which means that they have to now create new markets either by spreading their products around the world or by advertising, marketing, and so forth to indoctrinate people and brainwash people into thinking that they need things that they don't need so that they'll buy those things. Now when you when you put that in the context of the military industrial complex, then war becomes a a creation of markets. That's all they're doing.

They they they need to create conflicts so that they have a justification for their mass production of instruments and devices for death and destruction. So it's it's like tied to the overproduction, over, you know, mass production of things that nobody needs. And when you when you connect that with the military industrial complex, it's devastating. And this is this is one of the things that we've seen. It's just the the The US deliberately creating conflicts all around the world exclusively for the purpose of funneling money into the end of military industrial complex.

They're they're creating markets for products that nobody asked for. I mean, used to be like brother brother said, there's always been arms trading, but that was based on an actual need. That was based on a preexisting conflict. That was based on a on a, you know, on a conflict that erupted that then this nation or that nation or even this tribe or that tribe needed to arm themselves to be prepared for a battle because the battle was taking place organically. It came about organically.

Now there are so many conflicts around the world that are not organic but have been instigated and are being perpetuated for no reason other than the profit motives of the military industrial complex.

Exactly. Like, this is one aspect of it. Right? Doing it, like, militarily through the military industrial complex as you greatly just explained. And, also, we will look at how they do it, you know, through the economic subjugation, right, through the different institutions that they helped create, right, and assert their dominance through these means.

Okay? So brother Amal, just you know, I see your hand, so if you wanna add something.

Yeah. I mean, brother Shahid, talked about, you know, the military industrial complex in The US. And speaking of The US and we know we all know how The US is, you know, priding themselves that they are the richest and the most prosperous nation on the earth. But when you when you inspect that sentence, you you will find it extremely separated and disconnected from reality. I mean, for example, the Rust Belt Region, which was, you know, stretching from New York through Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, and Michigan was this this region was was the heart of the American industry.

Right? And it has seen economic devastation due to factory closures and the industrialization, unemployment, poverty, and population, you know, decline has ravaged in these areas turning once, you know, cities that were once thriving like Flint and Gary to practically ghost towns right now. I mean, another example is, for example, if you take Mississippi, this is the poorest state in The United States. It has a poverty rate of over 19%. It suffers from inadequate health care, underfunded schools, crumbling infrastructure.

And if you take Mississippi if you if you consider Mississippi, if you look at that as a country because each state is at least in in the constitution history, it has its own, you know, laws and regulations and so on and so forth. If you look if you look at it as a country, its economy would resemble that of a developing nation, so called third world developing developing economies. So its GDP is per per capita is lower than that of Argentina and Thailand with poor infrastructure and underfunded public services and high poverty rates. So this highlights the illusion that The US is uniformly wealthy when in reality, many of the regions are struggling in The United States. So that was an example, I think, that shows just how glaring differences are.

Yeah. Exactly. Like, you know, there's this chart also uploaded in the table. If you look at all of these states and compare them in nominal GDP, you will basically see that it's just like California or, you know, the the leading country, right, this with San Francisco and Silicon Valley, etcetera. These are raising the average GDP per capita in the whole country.

Right? Otherwise, if you take each state individually, it's a third world country as they call them or as they call other countries. So, you know, some yes. Sorry. Someone wants to speak.

I don't know if someone's opening the mic. Yeah. Sorry, brother Jake.

Yeah. That was me. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry to interrupt you.

I was just gonna say, I mean, anyone who anyone who's who's lived in an American city also knows that you can just go block to block, and you'll see difference in in wealth. If you if you walk a few blocks in a nice neighborhood, you cross the street, and suddenly you're in terrible a neighborhood, a neighborhood that you don't wanna be in, that that really looks dilapidated and and and derelict. I mean, when you talk about the the even the way that they that they measure these things, they measure the the so called health of an economy. As you know, brother Karim, and it's sort of more your area than mine. The, the the statistics and the and the data that they use is so misleading.

Like, just when you talk about GDP or or you one of my favorites is when they talk about median income. Like, median income in The United States is such and such. Well, that's that's you know, the median and median income means the middle income between the lowest and the highest, which means that you're including multibillionaires in that. You need to take the multibillionaires out of the equation because that's just a handful of them. So it's like less than, you know, 5% or something of the population that are that are or even even 1% maybe that that are multibillionaires, but they're they're skewing the numbers.

They're skewing what the middle income is. You know, it would be like if if you said someone's someone has a healthy body weight, you know, like if you put them on a scale and they have a healthy body weight, and then, you know, the the actual number looks like it's a healthy weight for their height. But then if you actually look at them, or do an x-ray or what have you, you find that, you know, their entire body is emaciated and they have no muscle tissue whatsoever except they have one gigantic left hand. You know? It the the it's so it's so disproportionate.

It's so malformed that there's no way that you could actually in in any sort of an actual analysis, in any sort of actual examination of the economy, if you put it in that in those terms, like it's a physical body, it's a completely malformed, deformed figure. But, well, it's got a healthy weight, so therefore it's a healthy economy. This is like how they how they play with the numbers to give a very inaccurate depiction of what the whether the economy is healthy or not.

Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Like, as you mentioned, like, even the GDP, you know, GDP is basically just what is produced. It's a flow first of all, it's a flow variable.

It just tells you what has been produced in this year in the economy as a whole. Right? It's really what is produced equivalent to how people are doing. How is that relationship even explained? I don't know.

I don't know. But it's the measure that we use to assess whether a nation is or an individual in a nation is real. SubhanAllah. Yeah, brother Angie.

Yeah. Because because I'm sorry. Because the because the philosophy is that that the health of the economy has nothing to do with the health of the people.

It has nothing to

do with the actual quality of life of the population. It's just a numbers game. This is this is the this is their version of a capitalist, you know, mentality. Is that it just the only thing that matters is the actual numbers and not the quality of life or the, the the value of the life or or how easy it is for people to live, how easy it is for people to meet their expenses, to live on a daily basis. None of that is included in in their evaluation of what a healthy economy is.

It's just, as you say, with the GDP, the actual production, which is completely meaningless in terms of how healthy the economy is.

SubhanAllah, brother. Yeah.

I mean, I'd also like to say that sometimes it's not even with, like, the disparity between the low income and the high income in in the in the developed world is not it doesn't have to be on it doesn't have it doesn't have to be in one city where you can find one block that's high income, one block that's low income. It can sometimes be in the very same block. Like, for example, if you go to Brussels in Schumann Square where the European Commission is, you know, there's these nice buildings where Ursula von der Leyen and all the lovely European parliamentarians sit. When you go to the subway of that of that square, it's covered with homeless people. It's covered with homeless people.

So it's not it's not even it's not even different blocks. It can even be the same exact block.

Yeah. Exactly. SubhanAllah. And, you know, just as we were talking about inequality and how it's not distributed. Right?

Again, it's, you know, one of the phenomena of this American society. Right? Like, even the owners of Walmart, I think it's the Walton family, they, you know, own more wealth. The one family owns more wealth than the bottom 42% of all Americans combined. And you subhanAllah.

You know? Jeff Bezos. Right? Everyone heard of him. Over 200,000,000,000, right, during even the pandemic and all of the policies that were enacted during the last, you know, five, six years.

Right? You know, especially when people during COVID were sitting at home. Right? Everybody was going for the spending spree online. Right?

So Amazon kinda, you know, pro profited from that in during that time. Right? Even if you look, like, in total number, not just on family, let's take the first 1%, they own more than 90% combined, the bottom 90%. Right? So if you go from, you know, the poorest individual until the 90%, like, percentile, which can be even in the numbers of, like, more than 100,000 per year average salary in the top, you know, like, the eleventh percent if you go from the top.

But, basically, all of these combined have less than the wealthiest 1%. You know? What is this? Right? Is this, you know, the freedom or the equality, the capitalism?

Is this the prosperity that you're talking about? Like, really? SubhanAllah. And, you know, we don't even have to go to The US. Right?

If we look at Europe, I, you know, I personally am from Europe, so I know how even the European Union speaks about countries inside the European Union. Right? So they always address the problems of the southern wing. Yeah. So for example, Greece, Portugal, Spain, Italy, these are considered the poor countries in Europe.

And you are admitting that these are poor countries when they are implementing the policies that you want them to implement. So what is the logic behind it? Kind of why one just, you know, is astonished by the level of, like, self delusion or I think we'll give you examples of, you know, look at the northern countries. Really, you know, the northern countries are based on your assessment, socialist countries. Right?

So how is this related to what you're trying to breach? Right? And they will tell Spain, you know, deregulate that. Then you saw the housing bubble during the crisis, or they will tell Italy, yeah, you need more productivity. All of these, you know, cliched words, but, literally, it doesn't mean anything.

Right? It's just open up your market so we can come and exploit you. Right? Yeah. I don't know.

So I don't know if anybody wants to add anything to this point. If not, we yeah. Sorry. Brother MD should speak up.

Yeah. Even in the so called socialist countries that people talk about, I mean, like the Nordic or Belgium or especially Belgium. Belgium is known for being a socialist country, giving a very good social welfare and health care and so on and so on. Make it hell for small and medium enterprises. They make it hell for businesses that that want for for anyone that wants to start a business and make money even as as far down as as as owning a restaurant.

Like, they tax people that just want to own restaurants to such enormous degrees that you they can never compete with a franchise like McDonald's or KFC or whatever. So even those socialist countries, they're not really socialists.

Yeah. You're right. You know, exactly. Again, they just try to label someone because, you know, they, for example, enact some more preferable social policies to the population. They will call them socialist even though in economic terms, might not be socialist at all.

Alright? But it's just, again, the slave link and twisting of words and using it to signify something negative while capitalism is only the positive. Alright. Yes. Please.

Yeah. I just wanted to say that the idea that people working multiple jobs every single day is normalized is a huge problem. I think you see people across, you know, in all these movies and everything, because I've never been to The US, but I see people working two, three jobs. Every week, they're going to they're working eighty hours a week to be able to live because the minimum wage is not high enough to live on. So the minimum wage should be raised if they want people to if they actually cared about the people.

Then they say, oh, inflation and this and that. But, no, in reality, they force people to work for less money so that people can so that they can exploit the people again and again so that they can make more money. Because, essentially, then they would be losing a little bit more money if they gave people if they raised the the minimum wage or decreased the prices of homes and everything. And I just wanted to go back to the point of the fact that you don't even have to leave a block to be able to see the inequality because just in in the area that I live right now, there's something called council housing, which means the government has, like, multiple different councils across the entire area of The United Kingdom. Right?

And each council is basically when you buy a house or in when you're renting a house, you give them less money for it because you're on government benefits and stuff. Right? Just the block that we live in, some of them are private and some of them are council owned. These private apartments are absolutely minuscule and they go for about 1,000,000 each. But if you're with with the council, you pay a lot less.

And the thing is, right, everyone in the area usually works the same types of jobs. So some people are literally making very, very little to no money, and yet your neighbor would be a millionaire. Literally, neighbor. A house next door was literally sold for £13,000,000. So you can literally see the inequality.

It's very clear. And even in London, I know we want to talk about The US, but in London, you have things called zones, which means the further out you go, the poorer the area gets, the more ghetto it gets. So living in zone one means you're you you probably see a lot of inequality because living in zone one means you're gonna be in a rich area, but a lot of times, there's council blocks. But the further out you go, the poorer the people get. And so if you're zone one, you're rich.

If you're zone six, you're poor. And it's a very, very clear divide. And the classism within The United Kingdom is all based on capitalism and everything. So they try to portray The UK as a standing class top class country and everything, but it's not. In reality, there is a very minuscule amount of people who own all of the wealth.

They own all of it, and the majority of the entire country are poor trying to live, trying to to literally trying to live without having to spend more than they have. Right? And that's why you see so many people in debt. That's why in The United States Of America, when they pride themselves on being a free market economy, saying we are free market economy because we are amazing, you are literally a business. You are a business putting people into millions of dollars of debt just to give birth to a child or because they got hit by a car.

So health care, everything being privatized is literally ruining these countries, and they don't care. They hide that in the shadows. They hide everyone, the majority of their civilians in the shadows.

Yeah. Exactly, sister. I don't know. I think that, to be honest about. Sister Nisa, please.

With regards to when it comes to America and capitalism and the way that they abuse and enslave people when it comes to labor and capitalism. They have a very high homelessness or unhouse, whatever the the term is, rate. And last year, it was at its highest, and this year, it's even increased. But of those homeless people, forty to sixty percent of those people are employed. Now imagine, you have a job, but you are homeless.

How does that work? You know, that is it's a thought that you can't even fathom how is that even possible that you have a job, but you can't afford a home. And in order for them to be able to afford a one bedroom place, they must work eighty hours a week. That is double the amount that is what you need to be working to at least, you know, get by in the first place. Forty hours is, according to labor relations, most areas, that should be probably good enough where you can still have a life apparently.

But in America, in order to afford just a one bedroom, you need to work at least eighty hours. And even if you have a job, you can still be homeless. 40 to 60% of homeless people have a job, and that is shocking, that people even still think that it is okay, that people still even think that America is taking care of them. So it is a a thing where people need to open their eyes, when it comes to how it is that they love, the mindset that they have been fed, and how they need to fix it within themselves.

Absolutely. And, you know, and and this this this sort of connects to the whole myth of America being the land of opportunity. And, you know, they they teach everyone if you work hard, then you'll get up and you'll succeed and you'll rise up the ranks and so on. But America has just about the worst of any so called developed country. It has just about the worst, ranking in terms of actual upward mobility for any for for any so called developed country, in the OECD.

I I think it's something like, like 93% of Americans who are born in the, lowest 20 income bracket, 93% of them will never get out. Only 7% will ever rise to the upper levels of of the income bracket. Only 7%. Ninety three percent of Americans who are born poor will stay poor for the rest of their lives. That's your land of opportunity.

That's that's the great motivation that they give you. This they they they give you this lottery mindset to to keep you basically pacified and accepting very unequal and and and a system that's not only unequal, but where that inequality is fortified and maintained and preserved very deliberately. But they they put in your head that you're gonna be the next Elon Musk. You're gonna be the next Mark Zuckerberg or what have you. You're going to be able to reach the the the lofty heights of wealth and fame and so on when the actual reality is that America, this land of opportunity, has just about the lowest ranking in terms of actual social mobility, upward mobility, in terms of income.

Like I said, 93% of people in The United States who are born poor will stay poor for the rest of their lives. That's the reality.

Yeah. Exactly. Like always when, you know, they mentioned this upward mobility, I just imagine this hamster right on the wheel with, you know, the cheese hanging in front of him, and he's just running constantly, you know, powering some machine or something right by his action while he will never get the cheese. Right? And he it just seems like there's something that they are dangling in front of your face, right, where for you to run towards it, and he will never be able to catch it.

So, brother, MG, please.

Yeah. And, also, there's the the problem with the with the so called upward mobility is that also they have managed to colonize the minds of the poor on on on what cons what is upward mobility, what is to be successful. And they have framed it in such a way where being successful means that you have to be from the 1%. And so what you end up with is a is a over time, a society that is engaged in a rat race that has no end and has little achievement concerning the expectations.

Exactly. And these are great points because I think we can, through it, inshallah, just you know, like, if you cannot achieve it through being a wage slave, right, this, you know, dream that they present you that it's attainable, but in reality, everyone knows that it's not attainable, you have to get into debt. Right? This is your best option to, you know, catch up with the Jones. Right?

I see they use this term, which basically means that you see your neighbor has a brand new car, so you have to go, you know, either work harder, right, which possibly you can't if you work sixteen hours a day. So, yeah, you just have to borrow for the car. So I would like to go into this topic of we can call it debt slavery. Okay? And, of course, we can even mention wage slavery because they will tell you how they abandoned slavery when in reality, they just privatized it, right, as brother Shahid mentioned in previous videos.

So first of all, I would like to go to this aspect of predatory lending, right, lending because I think even brother Shahid mentioned it many times in his videos previously. So, you know, how is this a problem? Right? You know, the type of lending that they do, the student loan prices. Right?

We hear about it and how the government basically even is trying to get some votes using that they will relieve this debt and so on. I don't know if it even happened. I don't think so. I don't know if the Biden administration actually did it. I just know that it was a thing they kept on talking about.

But, yeah, let us look at this aspect. Right? Because, again, it's some subjugation using debt mechanisms, right, of its own citizens, basically, if we can say that. Yeah, brother Angie, please.

Yeah. I mean, for the education and lending, a lot of it a lot of it is attributed also to how how education is framed in society. And, you know, the reason a lot of people are are are are having to borrow money to carry on with education and the piling up a lot of debt is because they are pursuing careers that that require you to take to go into universities that are Ivy League. And so when you have everyone pursuing such careers, what you'll end up with is very few people getting employed and a lot of people becoming unemployed and have to settle with secondary jobs that do not reflect those qualifications. And that's because they have idolized what we call the white collar jobs and demoralized or I don't want to say I don't know if it's the right word but relegated the importance and significance of of of handwork and craftwork that actually if you think about it, handwork and craftwork can guarantee the individual financial freedom for legitimately.

Yeah. Exactly, brother. Like yes. Sister Emmanuel has notified me that they actually approved 4,500,000,000.0, you know, in the debt relief. And if you look at the statistics, it's, 1,700,000,000,000.0 Americans collectively all in student loan debt.

Right? So that's, like, 0.4%. And just as you mentioned, right, like, they don't even promise you that they okay. So they present it as if if you take the student loan, you will go to this great university, and then you will get get the great job that you always imagined. Right?

We know who gets into these universities. Right? It's all about connections. It's never about, you know, how good you are or how you can excel. It's how where your loyalty lies, right, basically.

At least that's my view of it. Of course, know. Everyone wants to concur.

No. I disagree. Like, you definitely have to be very well educated to and and and very good at school to actually get there. It's about what happens afterwards, you know, after you get your education, after you you rack up the debt and you start to go into the job market, that's when the connections make a significant difference. What kind of connections you made in university that can give you the connect that can give you the jobs that that you don't necessarily earn?

So, yeah, to be fair, I mean, it you you do have to have a a good a good history of having good grades at school to get there, but it's and maybe you might get a scholarship. If if not, you're going to have to rack up more of that, but it's about how it's it's about afterwards. That's the issue.

Yeah. Of course. And that was basically even what I meant to say, to be honest, like, on the job market and getting it to the top positions. It's, of course, okay. You need some education and good education or from these universities that they want, but then it's about having the connections.

Like, if you have someone without connections and someone, you know, and they have the same education, who are they gonna hire? Okay. So yeah. So this is type of you know, of course, it's not just for students. Do you have loans?

You know, every single household, in my opinion again, I'm not living in The US, but from what I imagine and from, you know, what one reads, I bet that every single household is in debt. Right? And, of course, not not talking about the top 1%, but it's just a society that is living on debt. Right? And to repay the debt, they just borrow more, and they keep on rolling it forward.

Is my understanding correct, or is anyone having different opinions on this?

Well, I mean, you can look at you can look at just at almost anything. You can look at look at just look at one thing that that's a pretty much of a necessary thing to have in The United States, a car. Pretty much everybody needs to have a car in The US because the public transport system was undermined years and years and years ago. So you pretty much need to have a car. If you think about all of the expenses that are related to just having a car, Like first you have what the actual purchase itself, which entails typically a long term debt obligation just for having that car, including interest on the loan payments.

Then of course you have the sales tax, you have documentation fees, the title fee, license plate fee, and so on. You have annual registration fee, license renewal fee, auto insurance, of course you're gonna have to buy gas for the car, there's gasoline tax, in some states there's even vehicle property tax, and in many states now because of the, you know, the the climate change panic and so forth, they require inspection fees and emissions testing fees and so on. You can't even park your car for free in most places in in the in the city. You can't even park your car anywhere for free. There's meter parking.

There's parking permit fees, parking garage fees, so on. Not to mention you'll be paying most likely, if you're commuting any distance, you'll be paying highway and bridge tolls and so forth. And then there's the potential fines that come with that that, you know, that are associated with car ownership and and driving cars. There's, you know, traffic violations, parking fines, fines related to your emissions test and so on, uninsured vehicle pen penalties and so forth. So just something that they have made necessary for you to have also puts you in a in so many chains of of financial obligation, that you can't escape, and you're and you're gonna be chained up with that for years, if not decades.

In fact, I mean, in terms of something like car ownership and driving a car, you're gonna be in those chains for the rest of your life. It never gets easier. It never gets less expensive. You know? So they've made every aspect of life expensive for you.

I'm talking about The United States. I don't know about other countries necessarily, but in The US, they've made it so expensive. And like I said, that entire time, you're in debt paying for that car. And then, of course, the same goes for mortgage. If you're able to even apply for a mortgage, if you're able to qualify for a mortgage, then you're gonna be in in that debt for decades of your life and so on.

And then, you know, again, like you were talking about earlier with the with the student loan fees and so forth, I mean, my mother is over 80 years old, and she just paid off her student debt. She just paid off her student loans. So, I mean, this is something that that actually, you know, burdens you for the rest of your life.

May Allah increase the age of your mother, give her one beautiful life. Exactly as you say, like, it's a form of enslavement and exerting control. And, you know, I I think a great point that you made in some previous video, I think it was about rigging the elections in The US. Right? Because you you know, they always they do everything outside, and you can imagine our you know, they want you to believe that they're not doing it inside their own society.

Right? So we can extrapolate again. You know, they are debt slaving their own citizens. So now let's talk about how they are debt enslaving, you know, outside of their own, you know, country. Right?

What they're doing to the rest of the countries in the world. And I think this is a very important point because I think most of us here have seen some reforms by the IMF, some interventions, some aids, some you know, even in the middle nation discussion, one brother just had some post about how Pakistan basically reduced its government by, like, like, 12,000 employees, you know, due to austerity measures that the IMF dictated to them. So let us try to now analyze. And, of course, brother MG here is from, you know, some parts of the world that they also had some programs by the IMF. So I'm very interested to see how this using the debt as a mechanism of control, exploitation, you know, for corporate interests, of course, in the end, let us look at the mechanisms through which the IMF enslaves people or countries into debt.

Alright? So let us speak over you know, let us look at different examples and what are the measures. So if any of the speakers knows of any examples, feel free to just, you know, start talking about it. And, you know, just to give a sort of a picture, right, the IMF is not actually the organization that owes the money that it's lending. Okay?

It's basically a mechanism of guarantee. Okay? So, you know, like, if you someone wants to borrow from you, you will be like, yeah. I I don't wanna give him money. The risk is all mine.

Right? But if there are 75 of you and everybody puts in $10, then you will be like, okay. So the risk is shared. It's better for me. Yeah.

So, you know, the IMF is an institution that has, like, 75 members. It's an institution of the United Nations, and it was also established or it was established in, like, '7 1975 or something, but it was one of the pillars of the Bretton Woods system. Right? So the IMF, basically, in the first parts of its existence, they had to somehow correct deviation and exchange rate because it was a system of fixed exchange rate between countries. So the IMF, if someone was in trouble, they helped him to get back its currency.

Right? But during the years, it suddenly transformed into this institution where if some country is facing economic difficulties and they are and, of course, you know, what is the reason for the economic difficulties one can try to see. Right? But let's just say we start with an economic difficulty, then the IMF will approach you, and they will send a team of experts on the call, and they will be like, okay. So you need to do all of these, again, quote unquote, capitalistic, free market, liberal reforms, and we will give you money.

Okay? So this is the mechanism through which it works. And now I wanna see what type of policies do they recommend and what are the effects of these policies. Right? Because we are, again, you know, talking about debt as a tool of control.

And they are talking, you know, about free markets and how everything is based on the goodness of hearts and, you know, open up everything. So and that's the best way. Right? And this way, you will achieve prosperity and wealth. But in reality, we can see that literally every single country that the IMF was in or tried to, quote unquote, again, help, it's in ruins.

Right? You know, the countries never got out of this death enslavement. And, again, you know, they will blame shift and say that China is using death enslavement with the Belt and Road Initiative when they are literally the ones doing that enslavement. They are, you know, not even hiding it. Right?

So, yeah, brother, please.

Yeah. So for this issue, let's split it apart into two things. One aspect is how did what caused the IMF to be able to exercise such leverage on on countries? And then the second part is how can you escape from that leverage? Okay?

So let's start with the first part. So what usually happens is is that, again, it goes back to what I used to talk about in the past live sessions about how they think, how how they think how they think strategically. They don't think in the instance of I would put a leader or a government that is aligned with my agenda. They don't necessarily think like that. They think about what are the actions that will create the strategic outcome that falls into my favor.

So they could either support an anti systemic government or an anti systemic leader. They don't have to do that. They can just let nature take its course, and then anti systemic government or an anti systemic leader that might not necessarily be the most competent take power. And then what happens is is that this leader goes into a confrontation with the powers that be, and then the powers that be, they start confronting that leader. They could cause a war.

They could cause a wave of sanctions that impoverishes the country. And what happens after that? The IMF rolls in to save the day, quote unquote. So that's how the IMF manages to exercise leverage, create the conflict or provoke the government or the leader that is anti systemic that not necessarily be too competent to create actions that that create significant reprisals for his country. So that's how it works.

After that, the second question comes comes to mind is how can you diminish this leverage? Now we've seen it lately with a lot of other countries and what Shahid also mentioned before in the videos about how Brexit is acting as an alternative to the IMF. And you could see it. You could see, for example, with Egypt. So there came a point when with the IMF demands regarding Egypt that, you know, it cannot be tolerable for Egypt anymore, like raising the pound to £80 for to the dollar.

And then the the key the the the the the the key companies that are involved in strategic industries for the country put them up for privatization. That didn't Egypt decided to say that's the red line for now. I will go to BRICS, and then all of a sudden you found the the head of the IMF saying, oh, no. Egypt is doing well now. We can give a few million we a few 100,000,000 here and there to, to alleviate.

So that's the that's the idea of BRICS is to exercise leverage over the IMF, but also to provide a better alternative. And I think for the global South taking this approach with the over I'm not going to say it will happen tomorrow or it will happen next year or even in ten years, but we're talking here about over time, this will, their leverage will decrease over time.

Inshallah, Arab. Okay. Why do you view you know, you mentioned that privatization is somewhat like, you presented it as something negative, right, when in economics or economic education, everywhere, privatization is seen as the most efficient way to do business. Right? They will tell you

Yeah. It it depends on what kind of privatization it is we mentioned at the beginning of the video. I mean, it's not the privatization that is involved in a free and fair market. It's the kind of privatization that is politically motivated that is motivated by creating leverage.

Okay. Brother Amar, please.

Yeah. I wanted to address the question about privatization because they want to lead us to a path where it would be beneficial to privatize but not beneficial for us. We can we can trace examples of that, you know, in Iran and in in many countries where which had natural resources where upon discovery of, you know, oil or petroleum or or natural gas or what have you, private companies, private European, British, and American companies would immediately pounce up on the on the on the on the regime in place and start striking up deals that were up indisputably in favor of the of the company and not in favor of the of the population. And they would they would lead to a a cash flow cash flow that would that is out of the country, not in the country. So the population will will will never feel the will never share in the benefits of their natural of their own natural resources.

Also, this week could see in the Banana Republics, the so called Banana Republics in in Mesoamerica when the the the food companies took over there, and they built essentially huge empires. Right? So an example of not privatizing would be like the Saudis, for example. They did not allow for any privatization over their oil reserves, and it gave them power to them to to to dictate many of their demands in this day and age. But as he made this point in in a video I saw before, and I think it it makes it was an an outstanding observation.

Like, imagine what if the Saudis had privatized their the the the the oil to some company or outsourced the the extraction board to other some company would would which would share the profits. They would never even be able to to exercise the leverage that we issue that we see them exercising today. So privatization is not necessarily a good thing even if they convince us all the rights.

Yeah. Exactly. As you mentioned in, you know, the oil companies. Right? So you can see what Shell did in Nigeria.

Right? Like, hello. You know, they totally destroyed the local ecosystems, the local communities, you know, and all just for the profits of oil extraction. Right? And, like, they do not care about the local society.

Right? They do not care about the local population. It's all just for profit. Again, we are, you know, brother MG at the start when we are speaking about capitalism. Right?

It's not it like, capitalism existed, but they took it to the most unfair, unjust, like, degree possible. Right? So it's, again, about just using the local resources and exploiting, and they will do it in the form of, yeah, prioritization is good for you. You know, we will hire people. Governments are inefficient.

Governments cannot do what we do because we are you know, they even present that profit is a good measure for like, a good motivation. Right? So during my years of study in economics, exactly, like, when you can offer private individuals the profit, this will motivate them to increase productivity. But is it productivity or is it exploitation? Right?

Like, why are you calling exploitation productivity? Right? It is in their eyes probably. I'm not saying it's not, but it's really just enslavement. Right?

And, again, you know, we have seen this through so many countries. Right? The IMF, and it's always the same package. It's always, you know, privatized. First of all, that's always the most important.

Free float your exchange rate. That's the second, you know, thing that they always highlight. Try to reduce the public sector in terms of how many employees it has, you know, reduce state bureaucracy, and always, always the same, you know, effects. Right? Unemployment skyrockets.

Poverty goes up. Companies come in. Right? They do not care about your local population, whatever. They just wanna take out the resources.

And it's I mean, once like, Argentina is a good example of this. Right? And you cannot understand, you know, or okay. So I don't know if this Malay guy that they now have is a puppet. I guess probably one can say that is the case because, you know, after all of the like, you know, Argentina announced bankruptcy, I think it was in the year 2000.

So that is twenty four years ago, and they announced bankruptcy due to the they could not repay the debt. Right? They basically were like, okay. Sorry. We cannot, you know, uphold our obligations, so we announced bankruptcy as a state.

And the reason for the bankruptcy was the debt. So what is the solution? Let us take more debt from the IMF. Right? And then comes this male guy now when the economy is totally devastated, and he again connected to the IMF and get more you know, let's privatize more with let's reduce more the state sector.

Let's get more debt into our country. You know? This is the only thing that will help us. Like, this obsession with the debt driven prosperity, it's really amazing. Right?

And I I don't know what your opinions are on this, but I just think it's really interesting. Yeah. Sorry, brother. Please.

No. I was just going to say that this is the kind of mindset that they want to project. Like, if you don't have money, then you're worth nothing. That's that's exactly how they want the the world to operate. Right?

Because I'm not sure if it's part of their philosophy or if it's the way just the way they they were they were raised in the West, but they they successfully devalued everything. Everything has a price, and everything is up for sale. Nothing is not for sale. That that's that's the slogan of the age that we're that we're living right now. So and and, unfortunately, they they turned it to a game of money and not having money after it had been a game of politics, of political power and dominance and empire building.

They took it to a whole new spectrum where empires don't clash anymore because you you can have two two companies, two big multinational companies having spheres of influence in the same country on on two different fronts entirely, and they don't necessarily have to clash. So that's the kind of world that they created these days.

Well, you know, it there's there's another aspect of it in terms of, like, when you talk about the IMF and the neoliberal reforms and austerity measures and so forth, and why any country around the world even even takes financial advice or economic advice from The United States or from the West generally. And this is, connected to the fact that what we were talking about earlier, which is how they misrepresent the health of their own economies to make everyone think that they have these great, wonderful, successful prop, prosperous economies, which they do not. If if you were to actually tell the truth, like what we've been doing here, if you were to actually tell the truth about the American economy and talk about Mississippi, talk about Alabama, talk about Detroit, talk about the actual inequality in that country, and talk about the actual 93% of people who will never get out of poverty, then that that gives the rest of the world a very different impression about whether or not you're qualified to give economic advice. But when you present the only thing that you have to present is your GDP and how many billionaires you've produced, and and that makes people think that you're qualified now to give economic advice because you set the definition for the world about what a healthy economy is even though that economy that you're describing is healthy is incredibly dysfunctional and incredibly unhealthy and is leading to misery to masses and masses of people in your population.

As long as you're able to define it to the world as a successful and prosperous economy, then everyone thinks that they're supposed to take your advice. And they think that, well, if the IMF tells us thus and so, then we should do it because apparently they know what they're talking about. But as as has been mentioned here, every country that the IMF has gone into has completely collapsed their economy, has has raised the misery index for the population immeasurably. But again, as long as you're accepting the western so called capitalist definition of what a successful economy is, then you will think that you have to do whatever they tell you to do in order to become a successful economy. Even though whatever economy or whatever success they have had, especially America, whatever success they have had as an economy has been by implementing policies that are the complete opposite of what the IMF always tells countries to do.

So if you if you want to look at at at economic models that have worked at all for The United States, then you would do the opposite of what the IMF tells you to do because they're telling you to do all of the things that America opposed doing which gave them any kind of an economy in the first place. But the the whole approach should be different in terms of how we define the the the success and the health of an economy. So that countries around the world, countries in the global south, and so forth will know not to even take advice from the IMF that, I mean, it's it's really I mean, MG explained it very well. It's really a a a very sick trap that they get you into where you take out all of these loans, and then you have to take out more loans to pay the loans, because you you you know, and you have to completely defund your own government, defund all of your own programs, and sell off all state assets and so forth, and just enslave your economy, enslave your population to to your lenders. Anyone should be able to see, and you've seen many countries that have had horrific experiences with the IMF saying that we'll never have anything to do with them again.

And and after decades of experience rejecting the IMF, rejecting the World Bank, rejecting Western financial institutions on on mass, and rejecting American advice on what what how to handle their economy. Like, you look at the at the Sahel, for example, Burkina Faso, Malin, Niger, and so on, they've said unequivocally. Malaysia says has said unequivocally. We want nothing to do with the IMF. We know perfectly well what you do, and we're we're not going to define the success of our economy according to the same metrics that you define the success of your economy.

Because if we actually look, as we've been talking about, if we actually look at the state of your economy, it's quite miserable for the majority of your people. And we actually prioritize the quality of life of our citizens, not just the the bottom line of our largest corporations and investors.

Yeah. Exactly. And especially how you highlighted this hypocrisy. Like, what they are preaching, they're not even practicing. Right?

If you look even, like, you know, in 2016, right, when Trump enacted all of these tariffs, right, against China, against the EU. Right? Like, you are promoting free trade and free markets and everything. And on the other hand, we are essentially blocking, you know, free trade, right, by doing the policies that you do. Yeah.

The same for, like, there is this cocoa trade and coffee trade. You know? Like, they are basically the traders in the West or the mark they set the market price. Right? And they really just try to exploit even by changing the price, which is at the core if you study, you know, economics or something.

Like, this is the core. Like, do not touch the price. Right? Because the price is the most efficient, like, indicator to, you know, somehow try to clear supply and demand. Right?

So whenever the state gets involved in setting the prices or somehow controlling the prices, that is the big evil that one can possibly do. Right? That's how it's presented. That's what they teach. That's what they preach.

Right? But when you look at reality, even the EU, right, which is this free market, again, all these values, empty values. You know, if you look at even the just the agricultural policy, the common agricultural policy, right, in the EU, they have these common policies. It really is totally not free market. Right?

They set these jumping price. They buy it from the producers. They all of these tactics that go essentially against what they preach. Right? And, really, you know, I I don't wanna go into some details about it, etcetera, but I would recommend people here who might have some, you know, illusions about the the free market just look at what the policies are, right, especially regarding trade and some even internal policies.

And you will see that whenever they have the chance, they will go against what they preach and subhanAllah. So I would just maybe try to a bit, you know, just to give a contrast because we have spoken about these dead slaves, the inequalities, the capitalism. Right? So let's show now the beauty of our beautiful religion. Right?

Because, again, you know, whenever you have man made laws, it will always prioritize some aspect. Like, you know, I heard one sheikh mention, like, you will always have conflict between men and women, you know, workers and employers, government and the people. And, yeah, I cannot forget I cannot remember the fourth one. But, basically, you know, for example, right, if you put the law in the hands of men, of course, they will sometimes be a bit, you know, subjective and discriminate women. On the other hand, if you give the law, you know, decision making or creating the laws even into the hands of women, it will probably be sometimes a bit subjectively discriminating, you know, men.

The same if, you know, you give the lawmakers the, you know, the ability to enact laws to the employers, they will probably say, you holiday, right, and, you know, not supporting, closed wages. If you give it to the employees, it will probably be all about, you know, just holiday, you know, work, etcetera, etcetera. Right? So there will always be this imbalance. That's why we as Muslims believe that the only laws that make sense are, you know, divinely repeal laws.

Right? Because these can be the only ones that are 100% objective without any discrimination to any part, any group. This is what the beauty of the religion and what it brings, right, in practical terms. Right? So I would just wanna see if any one of you has any, you know, mechanisms that are existing in Islam and even, you know, one of the pillars of Islam.

Right? How they help con you know, how they contradict these policies that are mandate? How they help basically reduce these misconceptions that are in the West and these inequalities and these debt enslavements? What are the mechanisms according to or if I can say it that way, the counterbalance these negative policies that we can see by the West? Right?

Yeah. Of course, mister Iman or whoever wants to.

Yeah. I just wanna say one thing in Islam that is completely and utterly forbidden is interest. Riba. Riba is completely, completely haram in Islam. Right?

And interest, it it relates to the debt enslavement. Right? Because when you are in debt, you don't just take out a loan of, let's say, 30,000 and then pay back 30,000. You would then pay back 30,000 plus interest. So that means, usually, when it comes to student loans and everything, they would a student would usually pay the entire student loan plus more than double over that with the interest.

So that is one just completely contradictory ideology within Islam and then within the Western ideology of capitalism that shows you that Islam doesn't allow you to be exploited in that way, and it doesn't allow people to exploit you in that way because interest, essentially, what it is is exploitation. People say, oh, well, interest is important because it forces people to pay back on time and la dee dah. No. It doesn't. No.

It doesn't. It just makes the rich richer absolutely every single time. So I just wanted to point that out. Yeah. I mean, interest within capitalism is very, very prominent and interest rates are very, very high all the time.

And so Islam kind of not even kind of. Islam battles that with making riba, which is interest completely head on.

Okay. I think you are about to say something, Karim. Do you wanna say something?

No. No. No. Go ahead. I wanted to call up on you.

Thank you, sir. And, of course, please, brother Omar.

Okay. Sure. So another aspect of if we can, you know, say such word in Islam of Islamic economy is the system that was introduced in Islam. So what the is is that a a a a wealthy person would set up a structure, usually a mosque or a madrasa, which is a school in in Islam, And he would build around it a set of businesses to keep it up and running. He he built it, and he he doesn't have to do anything regarding that structure anymore.

He just built it and built the the bazaars or the the shops or what have you around it. And then the profit from those bazaars and shops would go into the institution. And this mere very simple approach was revolutionary in that it it it enabled first of all, it enabled that many many people of low income would go and seek help from the mosques, but it also enabled the of Islam to to be able to to come up with a jurisprudence, what do you call them, jurisprudence laws independent of the of the current regime. So they they answered to no one. They they immediately focused on the on the on the itself, on the itself, and they were independent.

So their independence meant that they could not be exploited. They did not have to seek money from someone who would then force them to make this law or that law or bend the rules or anything like that. And, of course, another aspect of the walk is that it it was tragedy. So you you can have you know, you can establish fountains of water and then establish around the the the shops that would where the profit would be going to this to this or that fountain. The waft included also houses for the poor, hotels for travelers.

There were even waft for for wives who were at odds with their husbands who fought with their husbands. So this this very simple mechanism helped keep society in in in a in a in a balance that was important for it to thrive, and it never made a poor feel that they were left to their own devices and sorry. Left to to to the exploitation of the rich or the or the people in power. Not at all. They knew that the had a backbone, a system of of of welfare.

It was not formal. That's true. But it was there. And it it's it's striking, and it's a it's a very diametrical contradiction to the current to the to the modern nation state model where the state is is supposed to provide everything. And if and so if the state is a failed state, then people will in will indefinitely suffer.

So I think this is one of the best approaches that Islam has introduced in terms of handling money and in terms of taking care of the people.

Well, I I think, personally, I think that more important than than the laws because, you know, it's inevitable that you're gonna have man made laws. That's inevitable. But more important than the laws, there's just the the underlying value system behind the laws themselves. There's the philosophy, the importance in Islam given to fairness, given to obviously, to worship, to earning Allah's pleasure and so forth. There's the basic morality that is missing from from the West.

It's missing from so called capitalism. It's explicitly missing from their approach to business. Everything is driven by the profit motive. And then in Islam, of course, you have it's the only belief system, the only religion that I know of that actually includes material rights among basic human rights. That you have a right to shelter, you have a right to, food, you have a right to clothing.

These are basic, human rights that cannot be denied, and and and any government, must be responsible for the, for, seeing to the material needs, the the basic, subsistence of their population. This is your responsibility. And then again, there's the whole concept of being a Khalifa on the earth, of being a caretaker, being a custodian, of the earth, and of being a custodian of humanity, and the the the sense of responsibility, the sense of duty, the sense of service that the West likes to talk about. They like to talk about it, the the the government of public servants and so forth, but we all know that that's not the case. This isn't this isn't the way that they actually operate.

They talk about morals that they have never, actually incorporated, that they've never integrated, that they've never absorbed, that they've never understood. They they have always approached, morals and values and principles and so on as just things that you talk about to cover up doing all of the immoral, unprincipled things that you do. They just use any moral any talk about morality, any talk about principles and values as a camouflage for doing all sorts of dastardly villainous things. But in Islam, for for Muslims, we take these things very seriously because we genuinely believe in. We genuinely believe in the last day.

We genuinely believe in judgment being imposed upon us for what we did in our life and how we lived and whether or not we took care of our brothers and whether or not we took care of our sisters, whether or not we took care of our neighbors, whether or not we took care of the miskin, the poor, the orphans, and so on. This is given a a great emphasis repeatedly in Islam, in the Quran, in the sunnah. So the it's the underlying value system that is completely missing. It's completely absent in the West, except in terms of them being talking points to cover up what they actually do. So I think it's it's it's more about this than it is about the the different sort of fit, the different jurisprudence, the different rules that people come up with in order to try to actualize these values.

Because all of this is is motivated by these values. It's not motivated just by the the very narrow interests of profit. And and and then you have the the entire mentality, the entire mindset in the Muslim world and of Muslims and in Islam that is encouraged, that is that is emphasized in Islam, which is not materialistic. The the the consumer mentality, the materialistic mentality, the hoarding of wealth, the pursuit of wealth for the sake of wealth rather than the pursuit of wealth for the sake of being able to, bring benefit to your society. It's a it's a just a completely different mentality.

It's a completely different mindset, that that, we see we see today the result of that. We see we see the result of of of a society in the West that only cares about profit and only cares about profit for the few and doesn't actually believe in any sense of responsibility, any social contract in reality is just torn to shreds. So, you know, it's just there's not really a way to compare, except to contrast these two different approaches to life, and you can't you can't, divorce the the rules and the mechanisms that that an Islamic society employs. You can't divorce that from the underlying value system, which is drastically different from the so called value system of the West.

Yeah. Exactly. Like, again, it's at the core of it. Right? So but even, you know, one of the pillars, like, like, yeah.

It's an obligatory act. Right? It's not something, like, voluntarily. But, this mechanism, if it was employed, you know, by every person, I do not believe there would be any poverty left in the world. And I do not know, again, of any religion that it makes it obligatory upon you to spend out of your wealth a specific portion if it, of course, exceeds some given limit.

Right? I don't know. And the even the Quran, right, it you know, reminds us about this all the time. Right? It's not like something that we concluded on our own, you know, with the scholar or something, but, you know, I'm always reminded that also that the right at the end, it speaks about, like, if someone is in debt, you know, and he has some hard time to repay it, you know, postpone it for him.

If you waive it off as charity, it's better for you. Or I I think it was in sort of the, you know, like a problem. Yeah. Like, if you yeah. Do not hoard wealth.

Right? Do not accumulate, you know, unnecessarily. It's because, you know, in our perspective, like, whenever someone is given wealth, right, this is a trust from Allah. It's even not considered as something because as you even mentioned in the video with the Chris Kennedy, right, where, you know, if the Lord gives you, then you are doing well. Right?

In our perception of it, it's usually some kind of a test. Right? It's not like some benefits. You know? We do not try to view Allah's favor upon us as being pleased or displeased, but it's more about how we will act with it.

Right? And yes. Brother, please.

Yeah. Just continuing what you and brother Shahid were saying that the underlying value system and the underlying philosophy of of Islam is that money, if you should acquire money, it is a it is a means to an end. It's not an end in itself. Right? Because inevitably, people will make money.

That's not that's that's something that that's what people do. Right? They they make money because they want to eat and they want to buy clothes and they want to build empires and so on and so forth. But what the what the West has done in the previous centuries is that they made getting money and ending in in and of itself. That's the problem.

So when brother Shahid rightly so mentioned in in when he was talking the the the principle or the the idea of that's exactly what it is. You are on that money. You this you are trusted with that money. That's it's not your money. It it's in your hands, but it's not your money.

Okay? You're you're responsible for distributing this money fairly and squarely among different sides of society so that no one is wanting. And so this is how the West is is is viewing this the the hoarding of wealth because they want to hoard wealth. That's it. Whereas in Islam, when you hoard wealth, it's usually not a good sign.

But if you hoard wealth and you redistribute it and you say that you are redistributing it and doing that, then that's then that's okay from an Islamic perspective because people will eventually make money. It's how they they they use this money. So we have this hadith, like, prophet says that people will be asked on the last day on the last day where they got their money and how they spend their money. So that's that's what matters in the end.

Thank you, brother Omar. Okay. Seems we have covered the capitalism. We have covered really lots of misconceptions. And I think, you know, anyone who listens to this will, inshallah inshallah, this is our purpose always to try to educate and try to open eyes as much as we can.

So I hope that has been achieved inshallah to some degree at least. And let us move on. Okay. So now the final challenge is gonna be, in short, and this is the last part of our talk, western misconceptions about freedom, free speech, and democracy. K?

So these are the big words. Right? The biggest values that they hold so dear. So, you know, the West, again, it presents and prides itself on being this guardian of democracy, of free speech, of personal liberties. Right?

But, again, when we try to examine and go deeper and try to analyze and, you know, examine the actual realities within these societies, we find, again, significant contradictions. How unexpected. Right? So let us start. I don't know really where to start with that topic because it's all heavy.

Right? Like, you know okay. Maybe yeah. Sorry, brother. No.

No.

It's just just you know, this is this is one of my favorites to talk about because, you know, as an American, we grew up with this constant drumbeat of telling us about what a great country America is because it's so free and because we have all this freedom and so forth. This is the ultimate example of a misconception on so many levels. It's not it's not even it's not easy to know where to start because there's so many layers to the misconception, you know. America is the land of the free. It's completely meaningless.

I mean, ask an American, what do you even mean? What do you mean by freedom? What do you mean by the freedom that you have that other people don't have? It's like saying America is the best country because we have the color green. It doesn't make any sense.

It's undefined. You know? Like like, you know, okay. You may have health care in your country. You may have efficient public transportation in your country, but at least in America, we have the color green.

It makes no sense. It's really, really meaningless. The average American citizen has less freedom than any random villager in Indonesia or in Ghana or in any other part of the global South. What freedom are you even talking about? I mean, you're living most Americans, the overwhelming majority of Americans, as we've been talking about when we were talking about the economy, and you can't separate the economy and the economic standard of living and quality of life of the people, you can't separate that from their freedom.

Most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. For most Americans if they miss even one paycheck, they're gonna be thrown out onto the street. That's the reality. You don't have just one master in America in terms of your slavery. We were talking about debt slavery, wage slavery, and so on.

Your employer is your master. Your student loan officer is your master. Your landlord is your master. The credit card bureau is your master. Your mortgage loan officer is your master, your insurance adjuster, your HMO, the IRS, your credit card company, they're all your masters.

In America, you're you're you're a slave with many masters, and they all have their chains on you, and they all have their own lash that they can use on your back. So what freedom do you have? I mean, the like I I think I mentioned in the video that you have more laws. I don't know if it was this video or another video. You have more laws in America and more regulations in America than any other country in the world.

The average American's daily life is governed or influenced or restricted or in one way or another determined literally by tens of thousands of laws and regulations. Upwards of 50,000 to 100,000 rules at the at the municipal level, the state level, the federal level, not to mention the rules in your own company that you work for, whatever rules that your employer imposes upon you. This is like scaffolding around the daily routine and activities of the American people, of any average American citizen. And most of the most of these rules actually only exist no matter what they tell you. They'll tell you that these rules all exist to make the society better and to protect you and to make you safe and so on, but the truth of the matter is and any American who's listening knows this to be true by your own experience that these rules only exist for the purpose of generating revenue for the enforcing body of those rules through the imposition of fines and fees and so forth.

That's the real purpose behind most of these. It's not health and safety and security and efficiency or what have you. It's just to make money off of you, And you have no say in America, in your in your great democratic country. You have no say in how any of that money is spent. Any of that money that they collect from you that they oblige you to pay, you have no say in how any of that money is spent.

You don't decide what what anyone who collects that money, you have no say in what they do with that money. So I'm asking what freedom do you have? What freedom do you have that's so special and so unique? None. Honestly, none.

Zero. There are no freedoms that you have in the West in America that are not available elsewhere, and there is freedom elsewhere that you do not have in America. Like I said, the average Indonesian villager has more freedom than the average American citizen. That's just a fact. So, I mean, this the the the real misconception not only is in the fact that I would challenge anyone to define for me what freedoms that you have.

Like I said, what freedoms do you have in America that they don't have literally everywhere else? But they they they they tell you all the time about how free you are so that by implication, you will assume that every other country in the world is an oppressive tyranny and no one is able to do anything. And and then, of course, you have the fact that the overwhelming majority of Americans never leave that country, so they don't even know what it's like in any other country. They know what it's like in every other country only insofar as they imagine that their country is the best, and so every other country must be the converse of that. But the real misconception is that they the the western western civilization, so called civilization, never did actually believe in freedom as the highest value.

That's that's the reality that they don't even want you to know about. They never did believe in freedom as the highest value. This is just something that they tell you. It's just part of the sales pitch to convince you about how wonderful your society is, but this was never something that your so called civilization ever cherished. I mean if you go back to the the alleged philosophical roots of Western so called civilization, the ancient Greece and so on, there are these philosophers that they always claim as their own and as their inspiration.

Aristotle didn't believe in this. Plato didn't believe in this. The real foundation of Western belief has always been more authoritarian and classist than it was ever liberal and democratic. They always believed in order and the security of the status quo above liberty and freedom, always. They always believed in power being held by the elite.

If you've read these philosophers, you'll know that. And if you've read whether you're talking about the Greek philosophers, the enlightenment thinkers, or the so called founding fathers, this was their position. That's the lineage of thought behind the modern Western power structure. They just sell to the public this idea about freedom because anyone with any sense knows that you can't actually even base an organized society on liberty and the so called sovereignty of the individual. Everyone who who thinks about it for more than five seconds knows that.

If you if your actual if your society was actually based on what you claim it was based on, well, that's a Ted Kaczynski mentality. Everybody doing their own thing, everybody living off the grid. You know? How long would your society even last like that? The whole of America would be like the backwoods of Montana, but they don't even respect you enough.

The the the the government, the power structure doesn't even respect the population enough to tell you that, to tell you that obviously you can't base a society on freedom and liberty, you know, unchecked freedom and liberty. Instead, they have to tell you about how free you are, and they just gaslight you and feed feed into your fantasies because they think that you are like children. They treat you like children. They don't even want you to understand the real system that you live in. That's why they don't even educate people properly.

I mean, that's why you can see these videos where excuse me. That's why you can see these videos online where people are asking random Americans on the street basic questions. You know? Like, name a country that starts with the letter b, and they say, you know, shoes. They they really have no idea.

The the the level of idiocy that's being imposed upon the public is, astronomical. So you have the freedom to do what? What I I really wanna know. Someone tell me, what is the freedom that you have in America or in the so called West that you don't have everywhere else? You'll probably say that the the freedom to criticize the government, the freedom to protest.

They only give you the freedom to protest in a democracy when they're not actually giving you democracy. I mean, think about it. Think that through. Why would you even need to go out in the streets and demand this or that if you have a democracy? If you have political institutional mechanisms for having your demands met for being represented in policy, why should you protest?

Why would you even need to do that? Because your government ignores you, that's why. So your freedom to protest, your freedom to criticize the government just means that you have the freedom from being listened to. You have the freedom from being listened to. Because, you know, historically, this is unpopular opinion, but it's not even an opinion.

It's a fact. Historically and statistically, authoritarian governments are actually much more responsive to protests than democracies are. In fact, democracies have actually just perfected the exclusion of the population from policy making decisions. They've perfected it. The whole so called democratic mechanism, the whole structure is actually designed to completely marginalize the population.

And And one of the things that has happened over the years one of the things that happened over the years is what we've talked about many times, what I talk about on the channel many times, which is the transfer of real power out of the public sector into the private sector. So they've got you busy right now thinking about the election, thinking about who's gonna win, and we have to vote for this or vote for that or vote against this or vote against that when real power is completely removed from that whole process. But they've got you completely distracted from where real power is because they've convinced you about how free you are and about how democratic your society is, which just actually in real practical terms means that you have no power whatsoever. You have no voice whatsoever. That's why it doesn't matter one bit when you go out and protest in the street.

It doesn't matter that doesn't matter anymore than you putting your vote in the ballot box. It is equally insignificant to what will happen in terms of policy. But you think that you're free. This is the the the misconceptions are so massive. Like I said, it begins from the misconception of thinking that your so called civilization ever believed in freedom and liberty and democracy and so forth.

They never believed in that. And if you actually read the the as I say, the the Greek philosophers, if you read the enlightenment thinkers, if you read the founding fathers, they never believed in that for one minute. And so you actually have the system that they wanted you to have, that you have the system that they believed in, but you have a very, very different system than the one that you believe in, the one that you think you have. It's completely different, but it's the one that they always intended it to be, which is the power being held by the elite and the population being completely marginalized and disempowered.

We can see that this is probably our favorite topic. So I hope your coffee gets better.

Thank you. Sorry about that, everyone.

No. Not at all. I just feel sorry that you have to go through this. So this may not not a thing. Okay.

So I would probably, based on what brother Shadi just mentioned, divide it into three areas. Okay? So we will do democracy as some sort of, you know, ruling system. Okay. Let's call it that way.

Then we will focus inshallah on freedom slash freedom of speech because that's one part of it, but, you know, we will go into a lot of detail about what freedom even means. And then third part, we will discuss these overregulations and so many laws and so on because it was also highlighted in the video that we are, you know, basically discussing, and brother Jay just mentioned. So, okay, this one, I think. Let's start with democracy. Okay?

So, brother MG, I see your hand up, so please feel free.

Yeah. So in order to trace how this Western fanaticism about democracy came to be, we have to look at the roots. And when you explore the roots, realize how how striking it is and relevant it is to today. Basically and I'm here talking about the moderate voices of the West. They will say, oh, yeah.

Democracy, yeah, it's not it it's definitely not the most it's not a utopian system, but it's the best we've got. You know? They always emphasize on the best that it's the best system we've got. It's the best system they've been exposed to. And so what you have now, the reason why they say that is because, they for for centuries and centuries and centuries and almost a millennium, they especially in the continent of Europe, they've been basically small kingdoms, rubbed states, and tribes fighting and killing each other.

And so the only way to get them together to agree on something was through that system of democracy. But then the problem is is that the the system of democracy, it's while it worked, we let's go for the sake of argument that it worked. Okay? And it didn't obviously, but for the sake of the argument, let's say that it worked. You know?

They've became bigger states. They've become more stable. They've had a quality of life. Let's say for the sake of their argument that, you know, it wasn't colonialism. It wasn't theft.

It wasn't etcetera. The they end up exporting it to societies and to, countries of the global South. What happens is the exact opposite. It creates fitna. It creates division.

It creates civil wars. Their system in our part of the world creates civil wars and, and fitna and destabilization. And that's because it's it's it's not the best system that we've been exposed to. So what you end up having is, the reason why this happens is because what with democracy, you don't the voices that are heard are not the most qualified voices. They're not the most, you don't end up electing the leaders that are actually qualified to run a country or qualified to to manage a the the village or the or the or the county that they are in.

You and and also the voices that end up being sound, you know, reciprocated and resonated across the real politic of that country are always the extremities. They're not the moderate voices. And so when you when when you have that, it creates problems. And, eventually, even if that society democracy has worked well for some time, it's going to it's going to end up becoming, toxic in the end. So, yeah, that's my input, I would say.

Thank you, brother, Andy. Yeah. Okay. Sister Nisa, please speak ahead.

I would also say that it's a perception that democracy works or has worked in the past because that is what they tell the people that it is working, but it isn't working. They are very big, especially the West, especially America, big on narratives. What they say is completely opposite of what is happening and what their actions are. So they are very big on painting this beautiful narrative, making people believe that things are, the way that it is supposed to be or or or that there's this beautiful picture happening and that, whatever bad is happening to them, whatever's happening in the global South and even anywhere else in the world is a million times worse, where in effect, it's actually worse in America than, a lot of other countries in the global South. And like I said, it's because they tell their citizens, that this is, you know, better.

Democracy is better and that you have a voice. At least you have a voice to say something. But at the end of the day, nothing's being done. In any case, whether you complain or not, they are not doing anything. Because if that was the case, how many people has not, asked for America to not get involved?

According to them, you know, we know exactly how it works. But get involved, with Israel, how many people has not see said that that shouldn't do that or get involved in other countries' business or build these peacekeeping nations and what as missions and etcetera. So they are not listening to their constituents. There is no democracy. It is a lie that they are telling, the people.

So it's just the perception that it has worked. And, unfortunately, the people believe, the stories that they are told.

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100% on point, sister Nisa, as always. Thank you for, you know, saying these things. Brother,

Yeah. It's not just about whether your voice matters. It's not matters or not. It's about also what's the weight of your voice. Like, by by by what standard can you by what standard can society decide, this voice actually holds weight and should decide to and and should be the one executing and and implementing policies and changing the course of nations.

And and and that's the problem with democracy. You get over time, you get people like you get people that can't even tie their own shoelaces to run a country. And that's and that's a big, big problem. And we and the and the the reason why when they start when they start trying to push it into our into our world and into our societies, and it creates a destabilization is because that's not how that's not how how our society functions. Our societies, for centuries weren't aggregated into tribes that fought each other over materialistic things.

We are, as Shahid said, we are an empire of faith, but also even before that, when we're talking about the early Middle Eastern societies, they weren't tribal societies killing each other. They were already civilizations that have been farming and have been trading, whether that's trading through the the the Arab the Arab tribes and Arab populations in the Arabian Peninsula through with with other civilizations such as China and Persia, whether that's between Egypt and Babylon, Egypt and and and the Syria. So it's we've we've we we never had this problem of endless killing for materialists to gain.

I I actually like what brother Angie said about you end up with leadership that can't even tag his own shoelaces. And that is because it all boils down to, like I said, the narrative. The one with the highest marketing budget tends to be the one that will win because that is the one that they put in front of people's faces, and that is the ones that people get to know. That is how it works. It's about the narrative.

It's about the biggest budget. It's about who can get in front of most people. But that doesn't mean that they are the best candidate or that they are the most qualified. It just means that they're good at marketing, good at telling stories and spending stories. That is exactly what it is that they get are able to do for America and within America.

It's just telling stories.

You know, I would also just just reiterate it. As as I was saying, as sister Nisa said, the reality isn't that you get leaders who can't tie their own shoes. You get people who tie who can't tie their own shoes, who the population imagines are the leaders. But those are not the leaders. There's no country I mean, there's no like I've talked about many times, you have people in The United States, let's just go with The United States for now, Who have tens of billions, if not hundreds of billions of dollars on the line when it comes to what American policies are going to be.

They they have so much at stake. If you imagine for a second that they're going to leave the decision for who's going to make policy up to the general public, you're out of your mind. And if you think that the one that the general public selects is actually the one who determines what the policy is, you're out of your mind. I mean, even if you look at just if if let just look at the actual system that they have in The United States, and you'll see that they have done everything they can to prevent there being any kind of democracy in The United States. This is what I'm trying to explain.

They never believed in democracy. They never believed in this because it's a very bad idea. No one ever believed in this. They believed in in democracy in terms of who gets to select who the leader will be. That that should be pulled from a very small group of people.

It's not unlike a sort of a system where you have a group of of people who have a specific expertise and a specific stake in the society and so on making the decision about who's going to rule. The Al Al Al Al Aqt, the people of influence in the society decide who will be the leader. That is the system that they always believed in, and that's the system that they have. But it's the public who've been made to believe that they're participants in the decision making process and in the selection process and you simply are not. And if, as I say, if you actually believe that these people whose influence in society and whose stake in what policies are going to be, if you imagine for a moment that they're leaving that up to you, well, you're out of your mind.

And even if you as I say, if you just look at the actual system, have what? Roughly 10 swing states, so called swing states in America. That means that your election is gonna be determined by about forty forty to 50,000,000 people. Not three hundred three hundred million people. Election the result of the election is gonna be determined by about 50,000,000 people, 40,000,000 people, something like this.

And then, of course, you've got the electoral college anyway. So it's all a charade. It's all a charade. And all the the the only thing that can keep it going, and the reason that they wanna keep it going is particularly so that you never look at where the real power is, so that you always think that you're a participant and it's power of the people and so forth precisely because they have disempowered you and probably because they should disempower you, and that's what they've always believed. So, no, it's not that they that they that that democracy is the best system for the West or it's the best system that we have and so forth.

They never thought it was, and that's why they don't have it. And they've done everything possible because they did put it on paper. They did put it on paper, so they found every means of avoiding it. They found every means of evading it and preserving or or rather rescuing power from ever being at risk of democracy actually breaking out in The United States.

Exactly. Exactly. This is such a key point. Like, it's not something that has ever existed. Right?

You know, I just sorry. I just need to reiterate this point because, you know, like, people will tell you, oh, yeah. You know, now the democracy is bad because of this of this. Right? As if, you know, they are trying to refer as if before it was something better or as if it existed.

It has never existed. This concept that you you know, the public thinks that they are engaged in, it has never been they were duped. Right? And as you always say, you know, the westerners are the biggest victims of the West. Right?

So, like, this is such a key point because it again, it's, you know, it's reflected even when you had that video with about the Christianity. Right? You never follow. It's never you know, the thing that you are labeling, it's never what you like, I don't know if it's being explained well, but the label that you use does never reflect the reality of what you're trying to refer to. Right?

You know, like, the same with this democracy. You're just something exactly as you're just talking about it. It's not something that has ever existed and never something that will exist. Right? Like, this is such a key point, and people need to understand this.

Right? Because as you say now, people get hung up on the elections and, you know, that there is some rigging in the votes as if it's trying to think that it's not ideal now. Right? There is some ideal. No.

There is no ideal. You know, the ideal that you're speaking about is a fantasy. Right? So this is yeah. Sorry, brother.

Angie, please.

Yeah. And they always stigmatize leaders that are let's say that they they're not fully under their leverage. They're not 100%, Keseman, and I emphasize it 100%. And it's always the leaders that tend to have a military background or have been in the military of their own countries because they don't want leaders that take bold decisions. They don't want leaders that have a history that, first of all, are qualified in leading and that have a and have a history in leading and taking bold decisions that affect the, the future of an entire country.

And, you know, there's always this stigma about leaders that have a military background, particularly in from where I'm from in Egypt that, you know, it's a military dictatorship. It's a military dictatorship. When by the way, Egypt when you talk when you look at the history of Egypt, usually, in during the period where it was where it was the most powerful, it was usually under leaders that that used to be military commanders or our military military commanders. So let's put the eighty years, of of the Arab Republic aside, and let's look at before that. So, Muhammad Ali, the founder of of Egypt as a state away from the Ottoman Empire.

He was the military commander. His son, Ibrahim Basha, he was a military commander. Before them, the Mamluks, they were all military commanders, and they ruled and and they ruled not just Egypt, but big but but very important and strategic parts of the region. The Ayyubids, Salahdin, military commander. And even before before Islam and before and during the and during the times of the of of of the pharaohs and the kings, the pharaohs before they became pharaohs, they were military commanders.

So there's always that stigma that they attribute to any leader, not just in Egypt, but everywhere in the world. But if he's from the military and he has a background in the military, he's a totalitarian. He's a dictator. He's a bad guy. So that's basically, another thing that I would like to mention.

I think to be honest, they usually villainize anyone who can post some sort of threat to Of

course. Of course. Sorry. I'm just I'm just I'm just I'm just mentioning a very small sample of an example.

I'm just adding to your correct point that anyone who because, again, they never believed in it and especially not in the private sector. Right? Like, this is something that they do not even hide. Right? So they will, again, paint this narrative.

As sister Nisa said, the democracy in public is, you know, a great thing. But when it comes to the private sector, that's where it stops. Right? Like, no accountability. Not to the population, not to the workers.

There is no democracy in the private sector. Right? Business is business. Right? And, basically, you have to understand that even the public sector is business.

Right? This is the point that brother Shay is trying to, you know, highlight so many times through the OCGFC and through all these factions that have the money. Are the ones making policy. And there is no democracy there or this narrative of democracy. It doesn't exist.

It's just some image that has been painted and, you know, created out of thin air that not even the people who came up with the word believed in it, not even the people who are now preaching it do not believe in it. It's nonexistent. And so this is very key point in my opinion in Allah knows best. Okay. Anybody want Great points with the electoral college and so on.

Right? And, you know, like, even with the super PACs and all of these things, like, really, is this democracy, right, with the patriot effect, I think it was. And it's really just mirage. Right? So, yeah, please, if any of the speakers wants to add anything to democracy before we might be or even, like, you know, even just related to the lobbying stuff and the money in politics, if anybody wants to talk about that because it's also related to it.

Right?

Well, I mean, you know, if you think about the fact that I mean I mean, like like, theoretically, if you if you believe in in democracy and Americans, like I was saying, if you ask them what their freedoms are, what their rights are, that's so much better than anyone else, then you have this this concept of government of, for, and by the people. And, theoretically, the myth goes, you know, that someone who's a a very average, normal, sort of low class lower class blue collar American can potentially be president of The United States. Well, that's, you know, that's as likely, as you be it's it's even less likely, as you becoming a Olympic gold medalist. You haven't had an American president who was not a millionaire since Harry Truman. I think more than half of the of the, US congress, there are millionaires.

And the rest of them, the other the other 49 or 48% or whatever of the US Congress, they're in the top 5% income bracket in The US, and they were before they were politicians. You have to be rich already. You already have to be rich if you wanna be in government, if you wanna be a politician, if you wanna be a so called representative of the people, you have to be someone who has nothing in common whatsoever, financially with the rest of the population. You don't have a chance. I mean, look at what's going on now, just with Jill Stein, and how impossible.

Everyone everyone knows she's not gonna win. Everyone knows she can't even get on the ballot in in, several states. This is your democracy. It's supposed to be, like like if you had if you had, like, say, like sister Nisa talking about South Africa. South Africa is a far, far more democratic system than America, far more democratic.

In reality, it's more democratic, than The United States. You have multiple parties, even, Malaysia or Indonesia. You have multiple parties that can run for office, and you don't need millions upon millions of dollars to run a campaign. I mean, you need hundreds of thousands of dollars just to run a campaign on the local level. Forget about on the national level.

If you're running on the national level, you need millions. You need tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions of dollars. Because, again, this is this is an example of who's actually making the decisions, who's actually making the policy. It's the people who've got the hundreds of millions and the billions of dollars, and the the reason why they even bother spending that money on controlling your politicians is because, as I say, they have a much higher stake in the way policy is going to go, and there is no way in the world that they're gonna leave that to the rank and file American citizen to decide what policy is going to be or who is going to be the one who's in the office to determine what policy is going to be. They don't even trust the one that they put in office to be the one to determine what policy is going to be.

They have to tell him or her, dictate to them what the policy is going to be. They have to make sure that we can buy them off completely to make sure that they will be loyal to our interests. And like I've talked about many times, America does nothing but interfere with democracies or with elections rather all around the world. Since 1945, they've interfered in in in dozens upon dozens of elections. What makes you think that they're not controlling the outcome of the election in The United States?

Why that's not intelligent. If you think that they're not, running the election in The United States and determining what the outcome is when they determine the outcome in country after country after country all around the world, you think that it's that that they they have a a hands off policy in the most important election, the most the the the election that has the most impact on their interests, but they're but they're making sure that they determine the outcome of an election in Micronesia, but they're not gonna bother about what the outcome of what what what's the outcome of the election in The United States? No. This is just very foolish. You're incredibly naive and gullible.

If you think that there's any conspiracy theory aspect to the most powerful interest in The United States controlling the outcome of an election when we know that they control the outcome of elections in country after country after country and always have. But somehow you think that they have a hands off policy in America. Well, that's just not intelligent, I'm afraid.

Yeah. Exactly. SubhanAllah. So, you know, I I will just gloss over, like, the part about the regulations because, you know, like, just to give you an idea because, you know, brother Shahid spoke about some aspects of these regulations, how overregulated it is. Right?

But, like, even imagine if you wanna remodel your own kitchen or make some improvements, you're you need to get a permit, right, to comply with regulations. If you like, the US government even it regulates how what your shower water should be. Okay? Like, there are so many stupid regulations like the FDA, you know, the Food and Drug Administration. They regulate what food can be sold, what can be consumed, and, you know, they say it's under public safety, etcetera.

Right? But it's just basically like, just look at every policy and you'll see the business ideas behind it. Right? It's it's just restricting some consumer choices, you know, protecting the interest of large corporations over small farmers who are, trying to eliminate some whatever competition. Right?

You know, raw milk is banned. Right? There are all these different food related policies that are not meant for the population. They're just meant for business. Right?

So this is just an point that brother Shayk was making, and he was even making it in video where you say how free you are, which is the next step that we will head into, but you're actually the most regulated society that exists. You know? Because exactly as brother Shait also mentioned, you know, a village in Indonesia has much more freedoms than an American citizen. Right? So now let us head, Insha'Allah, to the point of freedom.

Right? What is this freedom? Right? Is it, you know, freedom in which aspect exactly? So if anybody wants to speak about this, please feel free to do that.

Can I? Yeah. Of Thank you. I just wanted to say Shukran, I just wanted to say the way that they advertise freedom is by telling you what not being free looks like. Right?

They tell you to not be free, you have to be a slave in shackles working on a plantation. That's the idea that they planted in everyone's minds. Right? So when they say, we are the land of the free, everyone's like, yeah. We are free to do whatever we want because we are not slaves because what they end up doing what the the the people who advertise what freedom looks like, what they end up doing is they hide the actuality, the the reality of what freedom should be.

Right? They hide it from their citizens. So their citizens end up believing that because they can own a house, even though they don't actually own it because they still have to pay property taxes, because they can go and protest, which means it's not actually a democracy. Because they can do all of these things, they are free when in reality, they are still being enslaved in many, many, many, many different ways. And that's exactly what it is.

It's the manipulation of language that we see all the time, the manipulation of language within democracy, within rights, within freedom, and everything. Just like brother Shahid was saying earlier, how are you free? Where why are you more free in America than you are anywhere else across the entire world? And I I I can guarantee you that no American can answer that if they truly do believe it. They cannot answer it with a logical answer because it does not make sense that you are more free in America where you can be in millions of dollars of debt, which means you are enslaved to your government through that debt just for health care.

You can be in hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt for education. You can be you can be homeless even if you work, like sister Nisa was saying. You are not free to do anything. You are very, very regulated in every way, shape, and form. But because what has been advertised to you as lack of freedom is slavery, you truly do believe that you are free even though you are completely shackled up in every direction.

Sister. Exactly. I don't know if I can be heard. Yeah. It's the freedom to be hedonistic.

Right? It's the freedom to be immoral. It's the freedom to be, you know, just following your own desires. Right? That's the basis of the freedom that they are portraying.

Right? It's the freedom to just let go of anything, you know, that tries to give you some straight back. Right? Yes. Sorry, brother.

Shadi, please. I saw you

No. No. No. I I was I was just going to agree. I mean, it's and I've talked about it many times.

You have the freedom to be irrelevant. You have the freedom in trivialities. You have the freedom in frivolous things. Nothing of any importance. If you if you if you actually try to get involved in anything important, if you try to, as I say, actually educate yourself about the the the power structure and the system and be involved in that in any way, well, you'll be shut down very quickly.

But you have all the freedom, in the world to do completely, counterproductive, self destructive, and immoral things, precisely to keep you, basically in a kind of almost a catatonic state intellectually, and spiritually and morally so that you'll never actually take life seriously. They don't want you to take life seriously. They want you to keep feeding your desires, your base desires, your urges, your and what what have you. Then there's so many reasons for that. I mean, just for capitalistic reasons, it's good to train people to have no impulse control so that they do all of this impulse buying and so forth, and you look for for meaning and purpose and so on as a consumer and as seeking pleasure, seeking gratification, and so on.

All of these are very unserious approaches to life. So they want you to take a very unserious approach to life because they never want you to get in the way of important people doing important things.

Exactly. Like, So, ladies and gentlemen, let us try to summarize all of these three sessions and try to conclude some stuff and tell all together. So, you know, the West prides itself and it projects itself as this epitome of morality, of human rights, of democracy, of freedom. And, like, you know, we saw so many examples and discussed so many things where it systematically engages in atrocities. It violates every value that it claims to uphold from from racial violence to economic exploitation.

So, you know, like, whenever they get the time, they create mechanisms to suppress dissent, to censor free speech, to ban protest that challenges the system, to put in a system that does not even reflect the thing that they are talking about. Any you know, how can civilization that lacks any coherent moral compass or you know, where even the individuals, the governments, they cannot agree on the basic question of what is right, what is wrong. Like, this leads me to a very fundamental question. Can a society be called a civilization when the very foundations that we spoke about are built upon such massive misconceptions about itself, about its values, about its identity? What is the answer?

Right? What makes a civilization a civilization? Because what we saw, this is probably like, it comes from the world civilized. Right? And this is not society that is civilized.

Right? It has misconceptions about everything that we spoke about from as as I said, again, going from women rights, from, you know, violence, from extremism to democracy, to freedom of speech, to equality, to capitalism, everything is layers and layers of misunderstandings, misconceptions. Yeah. Please, sister Nisa. Thank you.

I wholeheartedly agree with you when it comes to they say that they are, you know, the benchmark. They try to make it sound as if they're the benchmark of civilization and that everything that we do in the global South, especially Muslims are backwards. And at the end of the day, their civilization or what they want to push as what is civilized is hedonism, debauchery. I mean, the violence that they, do unto themselves and amongst each other and everything that they just do each and every single day, they want to say that is freedom. You know?

Freedom to take your clothes off in public. You're free to do that. That is what they value as freedom. And, then they turn around and and and make it seem as if everybody else in the rest of the world, will behaves in true as a true civilized society are backwards. So it's the way that they use like, Tim said, you know, manipulating language.

You heard me even say a little bit earlier, whether it's homelessness or unhoused. What difference does it make what you call if that person is not living in a home? You know? They spend a lot of time trying to make things sound easier and under the guise that it's supposed to be for the person's dignity, but there's no better dignity than living in a house. Who cares what term you are using?

So they are spending a lot of time on things that does not matter, and they get the people to, feel that those are that is more important because, I mean, if you're saying a person is homeless or or if you're saying it's a house, that means they're not homeless anymore. Where is the sense in that? You know what I mean? So it's important to understand that when it comes to, especially America, you know, Europe is guilty of it, but more America so because they are the one that is dominant at the moment, and they are the one that is pushing these things that is or that fix us right now, in our lives. And they are the ones when it comes to the entertainment that they are, sending all across the world that's filled and rattled with so much, you know, sin.

And and and and, just like I said, naked women and naked men and all these things that they that that that is against the principles of Islam. So for them, it is about the opposite of civilization and then what they say with their mouths, which I will always come back to. What they say with their mouths is the complete opposite of what their actions are.

I don't I don't think that they ever would have even bothered to claim themselves to be a civilization if they had not encountered actual civilizations and and felt inferior once they encountered them. When they encountered the the the Muslims, for example, it gave them some idea of something that they didn't have in terms of prestige, something that they could brag about, what what have you. Without having done that, I don't think they ever would have even tried to pretend to be a civilization. The only thing that they were ever interested in was accumulation, and they have and they think that that makes them great and makes them powerful and makes them important. But then when they encountered actually civilized people, and it's not only the Muslims, it's many many societies around the world that that are civilized and were civilized that they encountered and realized that this is another thing that we need to try to add to our prestige and and and our power.

But they never they never understood, like, what I was talking about earlier with regards to the difference between the laws and the underlying values of the laws. The underlying values of the laws that America has and why they have so many is because they have contempt for people. They have contempt for human beings, and they believe that human beings, they are not held in check very rigidly, will go crazy, We'll run amok. This is what they think about people, and I've mentioned it before. This is why also you always see in their in their movies, in their popular entertainment that if if there's a like a post apocalyptic or a zombie apocalypse type movie, everyone goes renegade.

No one has any values. Everyone behaves savagely. This is the view that they take of human beings. So they think that they have to put all of these rules and these regulations and so forth in place because people don't know how to act. People don't know how to act right on their own.

But that's because you never civilized your people, because you never understood the underlying values of real civilizations that refined their people, that made their people moral, that made their people principled, that made their people ethical. They never understood that. They just thought that they they wanted the prestige that these other civilizations like the Muslim civilization had. And so they learned the language only. They just learned the language of values, the language of principles, the language of honor and virtue and so forth.

But they never believed actually in those things. They never tried to inculcate those things in their population. And they, as I say, they view their own population with absolute contempt. And they believe the way Iblis believes about human beings, that we're no good, that we can never be good, and that we deserve to be debased and degraded and controlled and dominated as much as possible. This is the view that they take of their own people, and they never thought that it's even possible to civilize them, and so they never even tried.

And so all they did was try to come up with a new definition, and this is what I get in the comments section all the time. They try to come up with a new definition of what a civilization is, and it basically means that it has nice stuff. That's the that's the definition of a civilized country or or a so called civilization, that they have fancy technology, that they have big buildings, and this and that. They have you know, all of these material things is what makes you a civilization, not that your people are civilized. So they had to change the definition.

Just like sister Iman and and sister Nisa said, they play with language. They have to redefine things to show their absolute abject abysmal failure as a so called civilization, they redefine abysmal failure as glowing success. And this is this is what you know, this is how they they present themselves to the world. They they they call everything that they're doing the opposite of what they're doing, and they they paint a nice pretty coat over it to make you think that it is what civilized people are so that they can trick civilized people so that they can trick, for example, the Muslim world. They can try to trick civilizations in Africa, civilizations in Latin America, civilizations in Asia that are unquestionably more refined and more civilized than they are, but they'll try to use the words that that resonate with us to make us think that they are like us in terms of their their level of refinement and moral advancement, but they never have focused on that at all.

That has never been a priority for them, and it's not even something they think is possible. So, no, it's not a civilization whatsoever. By any real definition of the word, the West has done everything possible to avoid ever civilizing.

Brother. Brother MG, you wanna add something?

Yeah. I mean, I want to add that for me, what I what civilization means to me is is one thing, and it's the ability for a group of people or one person to be considerate of others. I don't see that. I don't see that with them. And we can trace it back to anthropological roots.

When we're talking about Europe again, I mean, I I've mentioned this before. They were originally hunters hunters in in in their own continent. So a hunter has the fitra of of hunting and killing. And then after you he has his meal, he goes back to hunt and kill, and then goes back to hunt and kill. And we're here talking about a a region that this has been the case even after the Near East and The Middle East were already engaging in crop rotation seven, six or or five thousand years ago.

And it wasn't on and and when they start when they started to take, when they started to to become agrarian societies like the Middle East and like Mediterranean Europe, it was also because of Mediterranean Europe. It was because of the Romans. So it took them almost four thousand years four thousand years to become agrarian societies. And even then, it took them another, maybe a thousand or two a thousand or a or or a thousand five hundred years until the fifteenth century to practice crop rotation, which The Middle East have have have been doing since five thousand, six thousand years ago. So we're here even talking about a society that needs time to learn as well.

And, this is also the issue that we have to address. We have to look at it within this context as well. It's about the fitra. The fitra plays a big, big role, my friends.

Thank you, brother. Please, brother Amar.

Yeah. I just wanted to tie into what brother Shahid and MG were, saying earlier. I mean, even when they applied, you know, their so called democracy at the very, very beginning. So I implore our listeners to to to seek out or to Google something called the medium dialogue. So the Athenians, for example, were the so called first to start practicing what can be called the first form of democracy where where people would choose how government would be made.

Right? And so this model of government resulted that they decided that an island, which was not their ally, should be attacked, and they killed the whole population of the island. They voted to kill the population of the island, and they were practicing democracy. So tell me how that is civilized or morally superior to any other system of government. You're just a normal state like everyone else.

You you don't you don't have any sort of moral background or a moral standing that's higher than the others. You're just a normal state. And the same thing was done by the Romans, brother MG mentioned before that they brought civilization, but they themselves even were brutes. So we can look at them when they flattened Cartus to the ground because they were they're economic rivals in the Mediterranean. They flattened this cart they flattened them to the ground because they thought that they cannot be as economically successful as us, and they cannot be they cannot have a successful business, essentially.

So this is the kind of of democracy that they are that they are very proud of. It's a it's a democracy that allows them to to to commit crimes against other states just the same way as any other state would do. So I don't see any sort of exceptionalism in that model of fairness. If anything, it made them even more brutal. It it made them even more brutal as we have seen in the in the centuries where they reverted back to democracy after the renaissance in the seventeenth and eighteenth and nineteenth century.

We also want colonialism and what colonialism colonialism had done into to the global South, and all almost all of the systems of governance of the of the colonialist powers were democracies. So tell me, how is this any more any any any morally superior system of governance than the whole than any other system? It's not. It's not. It's not at all.

You're just the same as anyone else. If anything, you're just more you're you're you're more brutal in your approach. You're more brutal in other people's. And now even even now so if we made the the the the claim that they treated their people better than other people's, okay, now in your so called democracy, as we've been discussing at length in the podcast right now, you're treating even your own people, the so called democracy participants in a in a very in a very bad manner. So, no, democracy does not make you morally superior at all.

That's that's all I wanted to say. Thank you.

Thank you, brother. Yeah. So, you know, the hypocrisy, we can call it. Right? This is all just hypocrisy, right, of the selective application of everything that we went through.

And this becomes even more evident when compared to, again, our beautiful religion Islam. Right? Because this is our. Right? This is our distinguisher.

This is our light. So we always contrast it with our teachings. Right? And Islam, you know, it promotes justice. It promotes responsibility in all circumstances, and there is consistency of values and its moral principles.

And this is even during hardship and during hardship even more than normally for us Muslims. You know? And this stands in direct contrast to the molar moral failure of the West. Right? They are fluid, these values, as we saw, they are contradictory.

They are subject to change based on, you know, their convenience, but Islam provides a divinely guided framework for humanity, for human society in general. And these are timeless values that remain constant across all times and all places. Alright? We saw when it came to women's rights, Islam offered true liberation, right, which was rooted in dignity. It was rooted in respect for, you know, their full humanity, unlike the West, which just objectifies and commodifies them.

Right? When it came to governance, Islam again, moral principles of Islam ensure that rulers are accountable only to Allah, right, the ultimate judge, And they are responsible for their society. They bear that responsibility, not just the wealthy elite. Right? In terms of societal values, Islam provides a unified moral compass.

Right? It avoids this disintegration of values that has left the whole Western civilization, which is a meme, right, in the state of moral confusion and basically societal decay. So, you know, as a concluding word, Islam offers not just a coherent and a fair and just alternative, but it is the cure to this moral, social, spiritual diseases that plague the West. Right? Islamic values, again, are rooted in divine guidance, and they transcend all of these man made constructs that define the West.

Where the West fails, Islam basically succeeds, and it provides a framework for true justice, dignity, and moral clarity. Brothers and sisters, I would like to thank you deeply, all of our listeners, all of our speakers, brother Shahid, sister Nisa, sister Iman, brother Omar, brother Angie. I will guess it's Muhammad, but who knows? Thank you all very much from the bottom of my heart. I'm so happy I can always share, you know, these two today, three hours with you during the week.

So may Allah reward you, inshallah. Everyone. To everyone who spent the time of their, you know, weekend to be here with us. I hope that, inshallah, you grasped what we are trying to tackle. I hope that the point, inshallah, got to you, and you'll be able to talk about it with your close ones, with people who you might seem who might seem to you that they are kinda in the darkness.

So please, what you learned here, use it, you know, to the benefit of humanity inshallah. This is the purpose of why we are doing this. So may Allah reward you all, and thank you very much, and see you next week in a new session of Middle Nation content talks.

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