The Article 6 Campaign: Dismantling American Imperialism at the UN
Thank you for setting this up, Zoya. I'm gonna introduce our guest. We have an amazing journalist, geopolitical analyst, and an amazing educator. We showed a clip of Shahid Bolson speaking before the show, and I appreciate you be being patient. I was expecting Savvy Savvy to come on and cook.
We also have your, I think this is your colleague as well. I'm I'm it's great to meet both of you guys. And I'm I want you to read the little tagline here because I'm not too familiar to work, great to have Yan Nisa, activist from Middle Nation for social justice. So it's it's an honor to have you guys on, and I'm looking forward to hearing from you guys. Thank you for joining RBN.
Thank you so much. It's a it's an honor to be here. I appreciate you inviting us.
Yeah. Thank you. Absolutely. This is the work that, I saw that you you was pushing, and I love this effort, this effort that you're pushing here. I'm a read this tweet.
I'm a pass it to you guys on why you think why you're organizing this and why you believe it's so important. Here's a tweet. Gaza has be has clearly become a genocide by veto. And this is what we talk about all the time, how you have the global population that is against the genocidal state of Israel. The only mechanism that that consistently protects Israel in regards of international law is the veto, and that's the veto power that The United States and Joe Biden knew very, very aggressively, which go back to my point while was talking about earlier in the stream.
If you wanted people making these lesser two evil duopoly arguments, making arguments that who's better, republicans, democrats, you have a democrat, Joe Biden, that was using veto power the same way republicans would. But I'm a I'm a continue I'm a continue to, tweet, and I'll pass it to you. America's seat at the UN if the main obstacle to peace joined the global movement to have The United States expelled from the United Nations and sign a petition. So, Zoya, we're make sure we get this petition shared. I'll click the link here.
I'll pass it to you, Shahid. Hopefully, I'm correct me if I'm saying your name incorrectly. I apologize. But I thank you for calling my. I want you to speak on this before we get started.
It was a crazy intro, but I appreciate you guys for being patient.
No problem. Thanks so much. Yeah. You're saying my name correctly, Shahid. Yeah.
So we we've been focusing on the the article six campaign because, you know, if you if you're familiar at all with the with the Palestinian situation, which I'm sure all of your, viewers and listeners are, and from what I could hear, you certainly are, the as I said there and as we're we're talking about, the main obstacle to a resolution to this problem is, The United States' position at the United Nations. And, obviously, it's not just a problem with regard to the Palestinian situation, but given the the ongoing genocide in Gaza, that was was the main impetus, for us to focus on the Article six campaign, which is, Article six of the United Nations Charter says, that any member state, can be expelled from The United Nations if it is found to be in committing persistent violations of the principles of the UN Charter. And I can't think of any state, any member state, that that applies more to than The United States. And even if you just look at what they've done over the last nine months, it's enough. But if you look at what they've done over the last seventy five years, it's overwhelming.
It's absolutely, outrageous, the amount of violations that The United States has committed. And it's the the ability of The United States or the position of The United States of domination over the United Nations which has prevented the United Nations from being able to function according to its stated purpose, which is for the peace and security of the world, to establish peace and security in the world, and to, protect the human rights of all people and of all nations, large and small, regardless of their size and regardless of how much they fund the United Nations. It's supposed to be equal. But The United States, obviously, only joined up with the United Nations because they they they established the United Nations at a time after World War two when all of the economies of the world had been demolished, when all of the former colonizing powers of the world had been demolished and weakened, and America was the only and the most dominant, economy in the world. So they knew that their economic power, given the given the the the fee structure in the United Nations meant that they would be the largest funder, that they would have disproportionate financial control over the United Nations, and therefore, they would never be called to account for the things that they signed up to with the charter.
They knew that they would never be called to account, but they could call everyone else to account. And that's the way that they've worked it. So since '19, '45, since they established the United Nations, America has used the the United Nations as nothing but an instrument for internationalizing American policy. And I think that, Sister Nisa can probably talk more, specifically about their use of the veto power and with regards to, their funding and how they've how they've abused their funding and so on. But we see that, you know and in fact, at the at the establishment of the United Nations, that was supposed to resolve the whole issue that we're dealing with now because there's a the because even the recognition of this the so called state of Israel was contingent upon, the establishment of a Palestinian state.
Yeah. So this is supposed to have been resolved since before I was born, since even before my mother was born. But it has been perpetuated and prolonged all this time until it's reaching the crescendo that it's at now with the genocide exclusively because of The United States, because The United States has been able to hold the world at bay. It's been able to allow Israel, enable Israel, empower Israel, to defy the global consensus, and the global consensus has always been the same, which is that there needs to be a Palestinian state. And I think I'll let Nisa talk more about this.
Yeah. That was a great intro. Nisa, I would love to hear from you. Lot of great information there. Nisa, I'll pass to you.
Welcome for our to RVN. It's great to meet you for the first time. Go ahead.
Thank you for having me, and thank you, brother Shay, for, that in-depth introduction. So with regards to the veto power, we believe that, nobody has abused the veto power as much as what America has, especially for an ally. What has happened in the in especially in the recent years
hope I she's not having any connection issues.
Can you hear me?
I can hear her. In the chat, let me know if you can hear her, but go ahead, Nisa.
Okay. And we believe that when you look at the the recent months, especially when it comes to the genocide in Palestine, where America has used the veto power to block ceasefire resolutions. You know? When a genocide is happening right before our eyes, they still use their veto power to shield, Israel, to and to ensure that Israel acts with impunity. On top of that, they've used their veto power.
Out of the 14 times in the last three years, 12 of them went for Israel. So they are blatantly abusing this, privilege that they have because veto is not afforded to any of the other members. Only a certain amount. Five permanent members have the veto power, which is a an an important tool to ensure that it is meant to ensure that, you know, they are that people that are serious are are able to ensure that peace and and and and and global security happens. But they've abused it using the United Nations as a tool to green light crimes across the world, whether it is international, whether it's within your borders in America, they use that to ensure that they get away with it.
And they they not held accountable for it. So our campaign is based on the fact that we want to use what is in the United Nations charter, which is article six. And article six is the mechanism that is by provision for the fact that, something can be done, which is what people use to hold America accountable for all the crimes that they've covered over the decades. So when it comes to the funding, you a lot of the, you know, people will often, may believe that the funding with with with America out of the United Nations, the funding will be no longer be coming to the United Nations, and that maybe the United Nations would fall. But we believe that that would not be the case.
Firstly, when it comes to their contribution as a member state, based on the gross national income, America is meant to contribute about 27% of the peacekeeping budget. But what has happened, congress has passed a law in 1993 to cap that amount at 25%, meaning that so far for the last thirty years, there is already an arrears of 2%, meaning promises have been broken, contracts have been broken when it comes to what the contribution would be in the first place. However, at the moment, Amerity is also not even contributing to 25%. The last year or so, they've been caught over the last three years or so, there's been a contribution of about 22%. But we found that in January, when, they needed to vote, or use their veto power to shield a ceasefire or to block a ceasefire resolution on behalf of Israel, they will quit to make that payment and get that payment up to date.
So America is perpetually in arrears, not making, their promises, not holding to contracts, not making their contributions, which is also a violation of the United Nations charter. So besides just abusing the veto power, there's also the persistent violations when it comes to crime. It's also the contribution with the funding. Those those three aspects are persistent violations. They count as violations against of the principles of the charter.
Thank you.
Yeah. Like, that was such great information for me too. It's great to hear. And just like, Malcolm X said, there is no, intellectual, there is no moral, and there's no legal basis or argument for the state of Israel. And this is why we aggressively had to make the case.
Not only is it morally wrong to implement apartheid, not only is it only is it intellectually wrong, as you guys exposed, we we have the legal argument on our side. The true terrorists are the Zionists in the Zionist regime that is rebelling against the concept of international law. We had South Africa and South African lawyers who grew up under apartheid, who learned a system that they didn't even create. They learned the system, mastered the system, and got and and it was confirmed that Israel is possibly committing a genocide. And they continue to put up the pressure.
They're threatening the United States regime, for being responsible for the genocide, so they still have their boot on the neck. But South Africa, a country that was victim of apartheid and colonialism, has western has mastered western law. And that's why it's baffling, and that's why we must push back at these psychopaths in the West that have the audacity to call college students terrorists for holding their government accountable for rebelling against international law. And I wanna I will pass it to you, Shahid, because I I showed this unhinged clip, and they just they they just say this stuff on the open. We have series I have done that explain how the West is openly embracing Nazism, openly embracing fascism, terms I do not use lightly.
Sorry. Let me scroll up a little bit. These websites are horribly formatted. And you have the Republican parties teamed up with Chuck Schumer and the Democrats that have been threatening the ICC court. Remember, this is the party that people pretend to lessen to evils.
They they literally threatening the ICC, as they say that Trump is a threat to law and order. They threatening international law and order. And this is stuff that they stay on the open. ICC prosecutor was threatened because he was told point blank that his court was built for Africa. It's built for black people, brown people, and thugs like Putin.
So I wanna ask you guys this because you touched on these themes, Shaheed, and I want Nisa to chime in as well. Feel free to take your time and explain this as much as you want. I want you guys to talk about how The United States weaponized international law, bastardized international law in order to serve imperialism. Or if you don't agree, you could put it back as well. I would love to hear your perspective.
Well, you know, I think I think that most most Americans can relate to, you know, the old western cowboy movies where you have the, you know, the bank robber, the the horse thief, and what what have you, the criminal gangs in the West. Yeah.
And then, one of
them gets a a sheriff's badge, and then he rules the town. This is America at the United Nations. It's the it's the the villain criminal murderer, gangster, cowboy with a sheriff's bag. And he's got Israel as his deputy, and they're terrorizing the whole country. And they're terrorizing the whole, world.
They're terrorizing the whole Middle East. They're terrorizing Africa. They're terrorizing Asia, and that's what they've been doing. And they've turned, well, I won't say that they've turned the United Nations into an instrument for colonization. That's what it was intended to be from the beginning.
But the beautiful thing about it is that because of their hypocrisy, because of the the the their need to appear to be good without actually being good, because they're all about the optics, they're all about the narrative, they're all about, trying to present a a picture of being a civilized society, that they put on paper certain rules. They put on paper certain principles. And as I said in the beginning, the only reason that they put those rules on paper was because they knew that they were never gonna be called to account for it because they actually only believe in might makes right. And they thought, we'll put these rules on paper so it makes us look good. So we have it on paper.
We believe in all of these things. You can't call us out. You can't call us fascist. You can't call us white supremacists. You can't call us colonizers because we have it on paper that that's not what we are.
Forget about what we do. Our words say something else, and that's all you're supposed to look at because we've got it on paper. And as you know, the entire history of so called western civilization, especially the history of America, is a history of broken promises. It's a history of, things that they wrote on paper and then did the complete opposite. And then they just, put the paper in front of your face so that you can't see what they're doing or so that you can't accuse them of what of what you have yourself been victimized by.
They they they distract you and deflect, from their own actions by putting the the the words that they committed you on paper. Because as I said, they know at the time that they wrote it, at the time that they signed it, they knew that no one had the power to hold them to account. So they put on paper all of these things about, the equality of nations. They put on paper about human rights. They put on paper about sovereignty, and they even put on paper about, the right of defense of self defense of an occupied people.
They put all of that on paper, because they thought that they were never gonna have to be called to account for it, but this but the but the situation has changed now. Like, just when we were talking about the funding of the UN, it's very deceptive when they say, and we get this argument all the time, that The US is the main funder of the United Nations. No. It's not. 22%.
So even if it was 25%, that means that the main funder of the United Nations is literally everyone else. 75% of the budget is coming from the rest of the world, and they don't even seem to count, apparently. Only if one nation is is is is, funding that much, then they're then they're the only one who counts. But, actually, the majority of the UN budget is provided by the rest of the world, and yet that the the the the countries that are providing 75% of the budget don't get any say. Their voices are muted, at the United Nations because of America.
But the but the as I've talked about many times on my channel, the power dynamics, the power dynamics are changing. The power dynamics are changing in the world, And and it's changing in ways that America never anticipated. The the the global South is rising. Bricks is rising. And even measures that they themselves took because of their own ideology, because of their own, amorality, and because of their own greed, they empowered from within themselves corporate power.
They empowered the private sector with their insistence of the, what do you call it, you know, free market capitalism and so on. They insisted that the, the invisible hand of the market, must not be touched by the hand of government, that the market gets to do whatever they get to do and government needs to leave them alone. You know, they talk about the separation of church and state, but what they really did was separate business from government and let business do whatever they wanted to do. And now business has, surpassed government in their power, which inevitably means that even your domestic businesses, your your your corporations and so on, your elite, now, why do they need to care about your country? Because they've become global.
They've become bigger than you. And now they have interests around the world. They have interests in the global South. And they can see that, your demographics in the West, in Europe, in The UK, and even in America, in Canada, and so on, your demographics are collapsing. You're not even reproducing enough, to serve the needs of their market interests as consumers and as workers.
Meanwhile, the global South is robust in its demographics. It's the youngest population in the world in Africa, in The Middle East, in Asia, the Muslims, the youngest population in the world. So the the the demographics are changing, the global power dynamics are changing, and the interests of power are changing to where it's anational and not nationalistic. So all of these factors are changing the fact that The United States, used to have, impunity and unaccountability and could never be called to account, could never be called on the carpet, and actually held to the standard that it signed in the United Nations Charter. But we believe, that that, that those days are over.
Now the global south, the the the the BRICS nations, Russia, China, and so forth, and now we have a we have a a a collection of countries, of of UN member states that, are gathered together in an organization that's called the Friends of the UN Charter or or Friends of the United Nations, specifically in defense of the UN Charter, precisely because they can see and have themselves experienced America's violations of the UN Charter. So they came together in defense of the UN Charter, and they can, inshallah, apply for the invocation of Article six against The United States and get The United States removed from the United Nations. And then that organization that they put on paper is supposed to be about human rights and about, sovereignty, political independence, and economic sovereignty, of, all the nations in the world. They wrote it down, and they didn't believe it. But now it's there on paper.
It's a legal fact, and we can call you to account for it because the power dynamics have changed. And now you didn't believe it then, but we'll make you believe it now.
Got to tell my brother, she had said about the fact that things are on paper, and they don't believe that they will be held accountable for it. A misconception is that, they would be able to once it comes to the, the security council, that they would be able to veto article six. But that's not true because in the charter, there is provision for that, which is the article 27, meaning that they will not be able to vote because this article, states that if you are a party to the matter or the complaint, then then you need to abstain from that vote. So the veto will not apply. They won't be able to veto this.
So like Ravi shared explained, it's all there. It's all on paper. And because they didn't think that they would ever be held accountable, they put it in there thinking that they would not be held accountable, but it is in there. The mechanisms exist for it to happen. With regards to, you know, the tides are changing, what comes to mind is exactly what is happening now in the Sahel region with Burkina Faso and Mali and Niger, where they're uncoupling with uncoupling from the shackles of colonization.
So, you know, that's to me is a a good example of how the world is turning its back on The US hegemony and deciding that they're going to do what is good for their countries, what is good for their people, and which is a good theme because those are the type of leaders that we need right now within the world to make that change. But I do think all of us need to band together, and our our way of doing this is through article six by ensuring that there's a long lasting peace. We don't just want something to happen for a month or a year or two years. It needs to be permanent. And the way to do that is to remove the corruption from the United Nations because that is the organization that is tasked for peacekeeping.
And we don't believe that we need a new United Nations or we need to start a new building or sorry. A new organization Because the United Nations, the charter is a brilliant document. We just need to hold, the culprit accountable, and, that is why we've decided that article six the voting article six, lobbying member states, that is the way to go.
Fantastically said. And you hinted at this, Shahid, a few times, and I'm interested in your perspective perspective because, from my point of view, and we explain this on our channel, American exceptionalism is a scourge and a disease that infected the minds of actually a lot of the global population for a very long time. And in Africa, in particular, they are infested with the scourge of sellout leaders. We have, Rudo and Kenya who sold out his people to the IMF, who implement austerity, and it's essentially a race, in in African politics for decades to sell out your people to the West the fastest. And that's why we are seeing a new African liberation movement pop up.
And we are seeing this push from the global population to for de dollarization, towards essentially a block against American hegemony. And I I tried my best not to get my hopes up a lot. I'm a revolutionary optimist at heart, but I'm seeing this organization. I'm a read two headlines. I'm a I'm a get both of you guys' thoughts on this because you mentioned this of, at least themes of it when you were speaking earlier, Sheen.
Here's one headline. Growing interest in bricks membership signals consensus among global south. Here's another one, which this is a theme that I've been consistently covering. Dedollarization, the path to global financial freedom. And The United States laid the path to this their own undoing because The United States sanctions, around one third of the world population.
And then countries seen the Russian, Russia sanctions, and it was afraid that The United States can always go after them if
they don't follow United States
foreign policy. Meanwhile, I think I've spoken up. Shahid, I want your thoughts on this. Where do think this is going? Do you actually think the world is actually serious about de dollarization?
I would love both of your guys' perspective on this.
Yeah. I I I believe absolutely that the that the world is serious about de dollarization. And more importantly, although it's, it's a shame that this has to be important, but it is important, I believe that there are, major sectors of the onus and global, onus and controllers of global financialized capital who are also interested in de dollarization. Because as I say, these these, what you can call the 1% or what have you, I I refer to it as the OCGFC, the owners and controllers of global financialized capital, they're a national. They're not interested.
They're not patriots. They're not they don't care, how well America specifically is doing. They just wanna make their money. They are a a nation unto themselves. They care about their shareholders.
They care about their dividends and so forth. So they're not they they wave, logos, not flags. So they're not interested in what's happening in America. And, I think that that that there is definitely a push for de dollarization, and there's a push for, in fact, if you think about what China is doing, they're taking money out of the American economy, and they're not bringing it They're not returning it to American banks. They're they're going to keep the dollars.
They'll They won't stop using dollars with America. Of course, they they can't, at least for the time being. But they're taking the money out when they when they sell because, as you know, America is in a trade deficit chronically. You know, it's funny when you talk about them sanctioning other other countries. They couldn't survive if they were sanctioned.
They wouldn't survive. If they if if the countries that they're sanctioning sanctioned them, the American economy would collapse. They have a trade deficit. They they they operate, they they import far more than they export, and they don't have a manufacturing base to replace, everything that they're importing if it was sanctioned. So China is taking money out of the American economy, and they're keeping it in their own banks.
And because of what they're doing, like, example, with the, with the Russian assets in Europe, stealing those assets, no one trusts to put their money in the in in dollars and in the American banking system. So they're they're going to end up, draining dollars out of the American economy. They'll still have the dollars, but they're draining it out of the American economy, and it's not returning to the American economy. So there is definitely a de dollarization effort. I think that, now, BRICS announced the the new, transfer money transfer system as a competitor to SWIFT so that people don't have to be stuck, doing it according to the western, system.
That gives options to Iran. That gives options to Syria. That gives options to all of the countries that are under sanction. Obviously, give to Russia, although they've been surviving fine. There's definitely a push for this.
And I think that, the the only question about Western hegemony or American hegemony being in decline there's no question about it being in decline. The question is the extent to which we're going to enter a multipolar world that isn't, ultimately dominated still by a unipolar private sector power, corporate power. That's still going to be there. So it's a question of whether the extent to which the global South countries, are able to navigate their relationship with that power, which is still, western based. The corporate power is still western based.
But, as I said, that the the way that I see it, there's you can look at between you've talked about it now. I was just listening to your program. You were talking about Kamala Harris and and Trump, and which one is better or which one is worse and so on. They represent, in my view, I've been out of the I've been out of America for over twenty years now, so I'm not that familiar with what goes on over there. Let me But, Trump, represents one faction of the owners and controllers of global financialized capital.
Kamala Harris or Joe Biden represents the other. And Kamala Harris and Joe Biden represent the old faction, the neocon faction, the old, military industrial complex faction. And Trump represents more the global oriented faction, the faction that is interested in relationships with the global South. Trump is very close to the GCC. He's very close to the Arab countries.
No matter what people think or no matter what people talk about with regards to his rhetoric about Zionism, his rhetoric about Israel and so on. But we know anyway, from 2016 that he campaigns one way and his administration is another way. The way he the way he campaigns is, very, crass and very cynical, and very manipulative and exploiting the the the the sentiments of a a variety of his demographics, of his core demographics. But the way he actually, runs his, administration is quite different. He's a dealmaker, and and what he's interested in is making deals.
And making deals means, some degree of harmony. It doesn't mean aggression. It doesn't mean hostility. It means trying to arrive at some sort of win win scenarios, with the countries in the global South, with the countries in The Middle East, with the countries in Asia, even with China. And that's the position that's taken.
I'm not saying that this is something, like, very special about Trump, but I'm saying that that it shows me, his, connection to or his affinity to, or maybe even his allegiance to that faction of the owners and controllers of global financialized capital who are interested in managing and winning at the end of the transition of the global economy to the global South, which is an inevitability. The the the transition of the economy, the global economy, to the South and to the East isn't something that we question whether it will happen or not. It's happening, and it will happen. There's not a question about that. There's not another way for it to go.
So the only question is, to what extent western powers, western private sector powers, will will be able to manage that transition in a way that they can come out on top or in a way that they can still benefit and not completely be, sidelined by China and sidelined by the GCC and sidelined by, newly found sovereignty, of the countries in Africa and Asia and Latin America. So, you have these two factions in the private sector, where you have the the the the neocons. The neocons politically represent the economic interest of the military industrial complex, and that's Biden and Kamala Harris. That now is the Democrats and the mainstream Republicans. The mainstream Republicans, they're it's it's, you know, it's it's one party.
These are these are the the right the right and the left are just right and left lane on the same highway, going to the same place. But you have some outliers, and Trump is a bit of an outlier. And he represents, as I say, a a type of, business interest, economic interest, which then translates to political interest, that's more global in nature. And so I I I'm not sure where what was the beginning of the question, I'm afraid.
This is a this is one of the great this is honestly, you can see the chat here. This is one of the great lectures in RVN history. And after you guys seen the Shadid eloquently take down the idea of lesser two evils, I'm a just simply ask you before I pass it to Nisic. I would love to hear hear your perspective. What side are you on?
Do you agree with Shaheed, or do you agree with Kal Kalinsky, or do you agree with Cenk Uygur? Or do you agree with the Vanguard? Do they have these kind of high level geopolitical conversations? No. They're telling you to vote for democrat.
What side are you whose side are you on? I know what but it's clear what side I'm on. One of the great lecturers in RV industry. I am not lying. Nisa, I'm greatly enjoying this conversation.
I know you probably have a ton of thoughts. I'll just pass it to you. Any thoughts, Nisa?
With regards to your question, with the de dollarization, I don't think I have anything different to say than what brother Shahid said. I also don't but and I also don't believe that it's going to happen overnight. I do see that people or or countries, they're they're making alliances when it comes to, you know, the currency that they like to use, especially in Africa, in e in Asia, and especially the Brits countries. So, me being from South Africa, I'm I'm constantly watching, you know, what what Brits is doing. So, yes, I do believe that it is happening.
I think it was, probably ex ex accelerated with the Russia war and the sanctions and then moving them from the SWAT system. I think that was something that really caused everything to just start, moving forward even though talks were about it before then. And I also don't believe that it's just gonna be cryptocurrency or just gold or just silver or just property or just, you know, I think it will be, fair because not each, country, offers have you know, like, in Africa, you know, Africa is known for resources. You know, some countries have, something else that they can back up their currency with. So I do think that it we will see a different change, and it would be that multiple level that, Prabhashi had mentioned.
We do look forward to that.
Yeah. Absolutely. And I have, two more main things I wanna ask you guys about. I can pick your guys' brains on this all day. It's great to have you guys on.
I'm definitely looking forward to expanding this conversation throughout the time because there's so many things we can hit on, so many different, topics we can go into. One thing I wanna ask you guys as someone who is a victim of American politics, someone who's a victim of growing up in this, decrepit, neolive neoliberal hellhole, this this country full of barbarians who have the audacity to judge countries in the global South even though they don't provide health care. They don't provide any good education. They exploit the workers. So I am a victim of someone who live in this state, and that's why I said you guys are, I think non Americans are more lucky than they think.
There's a small minority of people who live in this country who thrive and benefit off the empire. It's been an argument that I've been made for a very long time that the majority, and I will say the workers to make everything simple, especially black and brown people, we are a victim of the United States empire. The cop cities, the use of tyrannogad, which is illegal in international law, that's a foundation of the military industrial complex and not a a coincidence that IDF trains with the NYPD. It's all connected. That's why if you are a worker, if you're black and brown, your number one priority should be resisting the empire.
The problem is and this is the, the issue that many people to my right have, and I show grace to people who don't spread, malicious propaganda, but there are lot of people who are defeated because our system has been hijacked by the by Zionist capital. So my question in a nutshell, I'm a play the video. It's very short. If the video I'm a the question I'm a ask you guys about what how what would you suggest Americans do who and how they can help the international peace movement? I'm asking this because you have a lot of these progressives, and I went hard at the propagandists.
Those are the people I called out by name earlier, but there are people who are propaganda propagandized by them that I actually show a lot of grace. I try to show grace to people who are victims of propaganda because they are tricked by the Kal Kalinskis. They are tricked by the, the crystal balls of the vanguard, and they support Kamala Harris. They support the Democratic party. Not even realizing that there is no chance that Kamala Harris will ever be a supporter of liberation movements.
And as I put here and I have a lot of liberals in sham in shambles on Twitter right now because I mentioned how Kamala Harris married her apex babysitter. So as you have the uncommitted movement, the progressive movement spreading lies about Kamala, she married her APAC babysitter, and she's and he speak for her on intro. So this is the position of Kamala Harris as said by her APAC handler husband. Let me just make this clear. Vice president Harris has been and will be a strong supporter of Israel as a secure democratic and Jewish state, and she will always ensure that Israel can defend itself, period.
That's who Kamala Harris is. You guys know I have a fascination with the CIA and the history of the CIA and the history of intelligence, agencies. It's very common for these agents to marry each other. It shows your commitment to the cause. And you have Kamala that married this guy who spent his entire career helping Israel lobby money from Americans to provide to Israel.
That way he spent his entire, legal career doing. And is it a coincidence that Kamala married this guy? Now she's a lead Zionist in middle of the genocide. So to get back to the question, I know that was a little mini rant slash presentation. But to get back to the main question that you guys can address, what will your suggestions be to the Americans who really wanna resist this?
How can they help the international coalition? Because we have Bernie Sanders and AOC who supports the person who's married to this APAC handler. So I'm honestly curious what your guys' take would be on how we can help the anti, genocide, anti apartheid movement. So I know that was a long presentation, but I would love to hear your guys' thoughts.
Well, obviously, my my answer is gonna be that you need to support the article six campaign, because to to to sort to sort of put it shortly, like I said, Kamala Harris and a and a Donald Trump are emblems of factions of private sector power. That's all they are. It's Kamala Harris isn't gonna make any decisions. She's not gonna make any policies. Neither is Trump.
Neither is Biden. Neither did Biden ever do. I don't think he even could decide which pants to wear. This is this isn't someone who can make decisions, and it's not someone who if you're someone who's dealing if you're if you're if you're on the private sector, if you're a businessman, if you're a CEO, if you're an investor, and you're dealing in hundreds of billions of dollars, are you gonna trust Joe Biden with any decision making that's gonna affect your money? No.
Of course not. You're you're gonna trust the the the constantly tipsy Kamala Harris to make decisions? The woman can't even speak. Obviously, they're not they're not going to look. Your funding the the private sector is funding those campaigns.
They're making you they're they're, funding the campaigns and they're lobbying. That means they are, the politicians are employees. Employees don't make decisions. Employees take orders. So it's not a question in my mind about, and even when you talk about IPAC or Zionism and so on, Zionism, the Zionist Israel is just a brigade.
It's one brigade. It's the Jewish brigade of American imperialism. That's all it is. They're not running anything. They're not ruling anything.
They are just connected to the military industrial complex. So the issue is which candidate is connected to the military industrial complex? Which candidate represents the political faction, that represents the financial faction that, that, is driven by the military industrial complex? Well, obviously, that's gonna be Kamala Harris and Joe Biden and the Democrats and mainstream Republicans Because as I said, there's not really a significant difference. But we've seen, from and I'm not I'm not telling anyone that that one of them is better than the other.
I'm not saying, vote for, Trump or or what have you. That that's not my position. What I'm saying is that, November in The United States is gonna be decided between the the the two factions of the owners and controllers of global financialized capital, and it's not gonna be decided by you. It's not gonna be decided by the voters. Do you think that they would give that power to you?
They don't even give the power to the politicians that you elect. You think that they're gonna give the power to you? Of course of course not. Obviously not. The same thing is gonna happen in America.
It's happened in Venezuela. The same thing is gonna happen in, America as happened in South Africa. This is this is a rigged process. And if and if you think that it's not a rigged process, then I'm very sorry. You're an extremely naive person, and that means that you're the perfect person to be involved in politics in the in The United States.
That's exactly who they want, to be active in any political party is that you should be naive and gullible. So go ahead and do it, but it's not gonna turn out according to the way that you think it is. It's not, it's not determined according to the process that you think it's determined according to or the mechanisms that you think it's, determined according to. So if you wanna deal with, the situation of American imperialism, if you wanna address, and halt American imperialism, whether it's in Gaza, whether it's in Palestine or, in Congo or anywhere else, then you need to deal with the issue of American imperialism. You need to deal with the issue of American hegemony.
And the main instrument that has allowed American hegemony to, reach the level of domination that it has is America's, presence at the United Nations and specifically at the United Nations Security Council. And if you talk about even the situation domestically for for American citizens, as you said, black and brown people, people of color, so called minority communities, even economic, economically deprived people, what whatever color or whatever, ethnicity they are, they're victims. They're victims of that society. They're victims of a predatory parasitic, system, that is designed to keep them down, and it's designed to, as I said, it's parasitic, so it just sucks your blood. That's what it does.
And there are so many violations, so many violations committed by The United States against its own people that they're never called to account for, that they could be, brought to the United Nations for and should be brought to the United Nations for, and if it was committed in any other country, that country would be brought to the United Nations. America would bring them to the United Nations. America would be, the top of their voice condemning any country that had statistics like America has, that has statistics on human rights like America has. America would be standing there all day long, listing all of the human rights violations of that country. Police violence, police brutality, police shootings, which are nothing but extrajudicial shootings by the security forces, which is the way it would be reported if it was another country.
If it was another country that had the same level what is it? One over a thousand 1,200 people murdered by the police, I think, last year or more than that. That's 1,200 something extrajudicial killings by the security forces. Imagine if that happened, in in, North Korea, if that happened in Pakistan, if that happened in Iran, what America would do at the United Nations. All the condemnation that they would do, all the resolutions that they would do, all the sanctions that they would impose against any other country that had a a a statistic that's as abysmal as America's.
Forty three thousand people murdered by gun violence in America last year. 43,000. 650, mass shootings in America last year. Over 650 mass shootings. That's that's like a war zone.
Your country is like a war zone. There's more people you're you're you're safe you're probably safer in a war zone than you are in any American city. And, you know, when you have your soldiers going over to Iraq or going to Afghanistan or wherever else to do their colonial project, they all come back with PTSD. But they're safer over there than they are in Chicago. They're safer over there than they are in Detroit.
They're safer over there than they are in, in New Mexico, in California, in Los Angeles, in New York. They're safer, in Iraq than they are over there. So what about the people who live there every day? What kind of PTSD do they have? What kind of victimization do they have?
And then not to mention even the incarceration rate in America. You're only about, what, three, four, 5% of the global population on Earth? The American citizens? Only about three, four, 5% of the population on Earth. Twenty five percent of all of the people on the in the world who are in prison are in American prisons.
Twenty five percent of all people in jail are in jail in America. Yes. You're telling me that you can't go to The United the United Nations and make a a resolution about that? That that's not a violation? That's a violation of the of the, Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
It's a violation of the, civil and political rights. On and on and on. You could there are so many violations that America commits against its own people that you don't even have to look at their foreign policy. You don't even have to look at their foreign policy to to see their persistent violations of the UN Charter, of the principles of the UN Charter. So, yes, American people, white, black, brown, whatever you are, whatever ethnicity you are, you should support Article six and get America expelled from the United Nations because then maybe, the United Nations could actually take your country to the United Nations and and make it face the consequences of their own violations against you.
No one's there to protect you. Your government isn't there to protect you. They're the ones victimizing you. So you need someone from outside. You need the world to step in to stop the violations that are being committed against you.
And that can't happen as long as The United States is dominating the United Nations.
If there's ever any r b n stream you guys are going to share, it should be this one. And I we need, everyone in the RVN community to check out Middle Nation, one of the great lectures, of RVN, banger after banger after banger. I told you guys, I wanna get Nisa in here. Good luck following that, but I would love to hear your expertise. Anything else you wanna add to the conversation?
We will begin to wrap up here very soon. I I appreciate you guys' time and your guys' wisdom. There's gonna be a lot to discuss. Hopefully, we guys can have you, back on here again soon. Nisa, anything else you wanna add?
Once again, I'm just blessed to be part of this conversation because so much wisdom and revolutionary knowledge that is shared here that is that is lacking in The United States left. And it's been painful, and this is why The United States left have been considered a joke. And I'm doing anything I can just as a little soldier to change that. So I'm just motivated to hear this. So, Nisa, I'll pass you in for any thoughts, anything you wanna add and and to this conversation.
Sure.
Right off, with regards to what Ravi Singh had said about the United Nations, you know, being used as a tool, especially for the military industrial complex. What I find very baffling is when it comes to the way that America takes care of its citizens, like you even touched on it, it does not. Those same veterans that go and go and fight those wars in other countries, go and bomb other countries. When they come back to America, they are homeless. The homeless in America the homelessness in America is increasing.
And a lot of that, a large portion of that are from the the veterans that has come from war, where America does not even take care of them. And that is a for me, that is something that shows just how much they do not care about its citizens. So like brother Shahid said, support the campaign so that at least the United Nations is able to, function the way that it is intended to function because that is the body, that is the organization that is meant to protect the world from wars, from brutality, from bullies, from all these atrocities that happens, whether it is in one country, this country, this continent, it does not matter. Whether it's domestically, whether it's internationally, I think we all deserve to love in peace. But it is because America gets involved in all these different countries, whether it is through violence, whether it is through coups, whether it is through elections.
You know, like you mentioned, the one in South Africa recently. So it is time that America is held accountable. And once America is held accountable, all other countries will also begin to see that accountability is on the table. It will be we will be making an example, to hold United States Of America accountable. So thank you for that.
Yeah. Well said, and we we'll begin to wrap up here very soon. But, one thing
Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, brother. You cut you off.
But, I just wanted to say something else. With regards to the what I would like, what I would hope and what I would advise, for the average American citizen, especially if you're from a so called minority group, you should feel an affiliation, and you should feel a solidarity with the people of the global South. Because your situation's not because your situation's not that different. Your situation is not that different. York their countries, in the global South, whether it's Latin America, Africa, or Asia, wherever else, the mus the Muslim world, the Arab world, were colonized.
You're being colonized now. Your country's being colonized. This is this is something that I didn't touch upon when I was talking about how private sector power is no long no longer nationalistic. Now you are up on the chopping block. America is up on the chopping block just like everybody else was, just like the global South was.
And now the roles are gonna be reversed. What we've seen, through the up until now, the relationship between the West and the global South or the global North and the global South, those roles are gonna be reversed in the next century. So your country is up for, colonization. It's up for neoliberal colonization, corporate colonization, and you're gonna be in the same position that we've been in for all this time. That's already happening, and you can see it already happening.
And America is gonna get more and more isolated. It's gonna get more and more, vulnerable because of isolation. You know, we were talking about it on on on a on a stream the other day, how geopolitically America is is in a very advantageous position because it's got oceans on either side. It's it's untouchable. But what happens when the rest of the world wants doesn't want to attack you, but they just don't want anything to do with you.
Those oceans protect you if people are interested in attacking you, but those oceans become massive walls. It's a prison cell when nobody wants to have anything to do with you because you're very easy to isolate, And this is what's gonna happen to The United States. And as I say, it is already happening now. So the people in the glo in The United States, you need to start having the mindset of the same people in the global South. You need to start having the same mindset as the people in Niger, as the people in Mali, the people in Burkina Faso.
You need to have the same mindset as the people in Venezuela. You have to have the same mindset as the people in, the EFF in South Africa. You need to have the same mindset, as people in the global South. In other words, those are your brothers and sisters. Those are your compatriots.
Those are the people that you should have should have solidarity with, not with some democratic party and not with some republican party. Neither one of them cares about you. They serve the interests of the ones who are paying them. So you need to serve you you need to connect yourself and feel a solidarity with people who are going through the same kinds of things as you, and people who have experience going through the kind of things that you're about to go through. You need to connect yourself with the people in Latin America, the people in Africa, the people in the Muslim world, the people in Asia.
That's who you need to feel an an affiliation with. Stop even thinking about yourself as an American. Stop even thinking about yourself as someone who comes from this a so called country or a so called civilization. That that so called western civilization never actually cared about you. So why should you care about it?
You should feel an affiliation and a solidarity and a brotherhood and a friendship with people who are in similar conditions as you are and people who have gone through what you're about to go through because they can help you if you build those bridges with the global South. I mean, think about this. Think about, for example, the African American community in The United States. They have a what I think they have the last time I checked, they have something like a a if they were a country, if the African American community in The United States was a country, they would be richer than Canada. They'd be richer than Australia.
They would be a a major economy. They have something like a trillion dollars, over a trillion dollars. Maybe it's close to $2,000,000,000,000. If the African American community in The United States was a country, they would join BRICS. They would apply to join BRICS, and they would be one of the most influential members of BRICS.
So you should start thinking about yourself this way. Think about yourself as a country within a country and and support what the global South supports. And the global South and the and the international, international community, I hate to even use that word because it's been misused to just mean the West. Yeah. The global consensus.
Support what the global consensus supports. Support the interests of the global consensus, the countries of the global South, and consider yourself a part of them. And then we can consider you a part of us. And then, we won't have the the, animosity that we have to we won't connect you with your country because we know anyway. Everyone in the global South knows, that you're actually suffering over there.
Everyone knows, what the situation is for for black and brown people and for poor people. Everyone knows, that when we talk about the West, we're talking about your governments, and we're talking about your your powerful people. And we know but the here here's the thing, though. We know it, but I don't know if you know it. That's the problem.
We know this about your situation. We know this about your society, but I don't know the extent to which you actually know it because you're still talking about Democrats and Republicans. Like, you you you haven't gotten the memo that York are being colonized, and it's gonna be, this colonizer or that colonizer. It doesn't matter. Stop stop thinking in this way, and you need to start thinking in the in as if you are already your community, already a member of the global south, that you're already a member of the global south, and thinking in in those terms and acting those terms.
That's all I wanted to say.
Yeah. Decolonize your mind, as I always say. And this is why and I feel extremely motivated and because this is why I've been preaching for quite some time. This is why I don't feel any attachment to The United States left. This is why
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have disdain for the scourge of black capitalism in our community that not so not only sold us out to a police state, but they sold out our fellow African brothers and sisters, our fellow brothers and sisters in the global South, which is why my main focus. People my main criticism you see from the professional managerial class come against me is they're like, why Nick so focused on foreign policy? Now Nick is always focusing on other countries. What's because we're we are living in the most brutal, violent empire in human history. And if your main focus is not holding that empire accountable, you are failing.
That's my main focus is to bring this empire to heal, and all these culture war distractions are exactly that. I get criticized for not diving in the culture war, and if I'm not serious about that, That's unserious. We have an empire takeout. We need to come together as an international anti imperialist coalition, which is what we've been building, which is why it's great to have you on the show and this this wisdom and this lecture, which is exactly why I've been advocating for this show. So once again, if there is any streamer orbiting you're share, this is the one, guys.
This is the banger of all bangers because this is exactly what we was advocating, and this is what I wanna transfer to The United States left to at least the best of my, capacity, which I'm already happy about that we're building a community with people whose minds are decolonized. We're not buying into, this neoliberal nonsense that Shahid just brilliantly dismantled. So, these lectures are, very thought provoking. I wanna get Nisa in here as well for any last thoughts. Shahid, you can have last word as well.
I wanna be respectful of your guys' time because we definitely gotta do this again. A lot of topics that we didn't get a chance to cover. Well, yeah, I'm very motivated by this stream. This was a fantastic stream. Nisa, I'll pass it to you.
And, Shi, feel free to chime in with any last words after she is done as well.
I think that, firstly, before we finish off, thank you so much for having us. Last thoughts, like you mentioned, I think we all need to come together so that we can unseat the corruption within the United Nations. I do believe that it's the precursor to peace, article six, by invoking that. We will have, at some point, world peace, you know, long lasting peace. And I think that the main important part is that we need to work together.
Because, when we work together, we are able to do many different things that will have positive results. So that's the last thing that I would like to say. So thank you very much.
Is there anything that you guys wanna plug or promote? Shahid, I'll give you last word before I get my little promotion real quick. Shahid, any last words?
Well, I would just remind everyone to please go to the link, that I'm not sure where we might have it, but you can go to change.org, and look for the article six, invoke article six, and sign the petition. And I'll just say we didn't talk as much about article six as I would have hoped, but it was a brilliant conversation. It was very enjoyable. But I would say that, just to remind just to just to clarify for anyone, the the petition isn't an end in and of itself. So if you have some question in your mind about, well, what's the use of a petition?
The point of the petition is to, give us a gauge of popular grassroots support for this measure. Then once we get to a 100,000 signatures, then we can, elevate, what we're doing to the, political and diplomatic level, we can approach member states so that they can, invoke Article six and and make this happen, at the United Nations. So please, there there it is there. Sign the sign the petition, and, if you can share it with family and friends. It says there, I I think once you sign it, it gives you the option to chip in, which means that they want money.
That money goes to, GoFundMe. That doesn't go to us. So you don't There's no need to chip in. I think GoFundMe is gonna survive. So I think if you just, Oh, sorry.
Not GoFundMe. Change.org. If you just, share it, then you you you have the option to either chip in or share it. So just share it. And, we can get, inshallah, to our to our goal of a 100,000, and then, we can, elevate it to the political and diplomatic level.
So that's the main thing that I would I would wanna plug. Also I would ask for people, if you're interested, to join us at Middle Nation, which is a a global, collection of regular people, activists, intellectuals, academics, and so on, both Muslim and non Muslim, though we are Muslim in nature. We have a telegram group. Obviously, have the YouTube channel. All of these links, I think, are on the, if you go to the YouTube channel, you can join the telegram group.
We have a lot of discussions there. We have book discussions there. We have country groups where you can have conversations with people from all different parts of the world and get on the ground information from those different regions. And what if you start engaging in that, then we can start in the process of building bridges, to where, the people in The United States or the people in the West, who are actually basically, honorary Global South citizens, Because you're, as I said before, you're suffering the same types of things Like and you're about to suffer the same types of things that we've already suffered. So you can start building those bridges with people, in like, in similar situations as you, and who've experienced similar things as you.
And then you can realize that there's no that that trying to, force you into a self definition according to the basis of a nationality is just a way to divide you from people who you actually have things in common with. Yes. To say that you're to say that you're an American, so what so like what like what what you were, brother Nick, you were criticized for talking about foreign policy. Who said it's foreign? It's it's not it's not foreign to me.
Those are the people who are going through what I'm going through. Those are the people that I have things in common with. It's not foreign to me. It's only foreign to me if I think of myself in this box of The United States as an American, so I'm only supposed to care about domestic issues, so called domestic issues. But this is this is how they just define your world for you and define what you're supposed to care about for you, to make sure that you don't actually, get to act upon and build relationships in solidarity, with people, with whom you have real common interests.
So if you if if anyone is interested, you can come to, the Mule Nation Telegram channel and and, join the discussions and, and, look around and see. And that's also where we do most of our organizing for the Article six campaign. So that's all. Thank you so much again for for hosting this video.
It's an honor to have you guys on, and make sure you guys follow Middle Nation. I know I definitely will. I gotta binge watch the library now after this one.
Thanks, guys. Videos, man. It's like a thousand videos. Yeah.
I'm a binge watch. Trust me. I'm I'm behind. Zoya put me on, but I'm about to binge watch Mill Nation after this show. I'm a look.
I'm honored to be part of the show, and, hopefully, we can come back on, plug this again. I'm plug I will plug this as much as you guys need me to. So thank you for coming on.
I'm very happy to build the connection between RBN and Middle Nation, inshallah.
Same here. Absolutely. Thank you.
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