Borderlines | Shahid Bolsen on Israel-Iran, Gaza’s Future & U.S. Leverage — 99.3 Nigeria Info FM

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He actually followed me today. I've got to tell all of you. He followed me today. If you go on my Twitter, you will see me famzying, and

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not afraid to say it because having him today literally is an honor. Being in conversation with him is a defining moment in my journalistic career. Now our guest has long challenged the ideology of underpinnings of empire, the moral contradictions of Gulf State regimes, and the silence or complicity of much of the Muslim world. His commentary cuts through the clutter of diplomacy and military strategy to ask the deeper questions. I would go as far as to say, what he does, and I don't know whether it's intentional or not, is to interrogate each of our thoughts irrespective of the position you take.

It is my absolute pleasure to welcome the geopolitical analyst and founder Middle Nation Movement, the great Shahid Bolson. Welcome.

It's absolutely a pleasure and a privilege to be here. Thank you so much.

No. The pleasure is ours. The privilege is ours. And and honestly, when we did the publicity to say you were coming, one of our I've gotta tell you this because it seems like we have an hour on this show. But, really, it goes so, so fast.

So one of our, you know, sort of most vociferous intellectual minds, he said this. He wrote this to me when he saw our advert. He said, one of the most brilliant men on the planet and a man for whom I have the utmost respect. Please send him my very best.

I'm very touched. I'm that the build up is a bit much. I might let you down. I hope not.

Well, we'll know. I doubt it. So let's talk. I mean, I I I did a you know, it's not even like I didn't know what you would say or I hadn't seen your pieces before. But of course, as a good journalist, I've had to do my homework on you and be prepared for today.

One of the things that I didn't know though, which is curious, is how you were shaped by Malcolm X and the book you read and how you became a Muslim. Would you like to kind of take a few minutes to tell us, you know, because of course, we have a lot

of listeners from Nigeria. We have a lot of

Nigerian listeners in the diaspora as well. Those who may be new to the philosophy, the man that is Shayeb Bolson.

Well,

I'll I'll try to make it brief, but with regards to Malcolm X, I happened to read his autobiography in an African American studies class in university at a time when I was exploring many different religions. I was I was raised nominally Catholic, and I I began exploring different religions in my late teens, and when I was in university I read the autobiography of Malcolm X, and up until then I had determined that of all of the religions that I was going to explore there was no need to explore Islam. Because I was raised in The United States and we were taught from, you know, very early on. I mean, in my day, the the big enemy was Khomeini after the the revolution in Iran and the hostage situation with the American embassy and so on. And then there was Qaddafi and there was Abu Nidal and there was all of these these issues that that shaped our thinking about Islam and Muslims that they were just extremist, violent, terrorist killers.

Crazed, you know, that basically Islam was some sort of a cult. And so I was going through a religious exploration and I was finding things in many different religions that resonated with me. Different religions emphasized different qualities and so forth. And when I read the autobiography of Malcolm X, obviously as anyone would be, I was incredibly impressed with the man. I was incredibly impressed with his honesty, his courageousness, his bravery, his discipline, his integrity.

And then when I in the course of reading the book, of course, I discovered that he converted to Islam properly when he made the Hajj. And that made me think, well, okay, maybe if a man as intelligent as him, as brave as him, as disciplined as him can find some value in Islam, then maybe it's worth studying. Maybe I can take or or cultivate some of the qualities that he had through Islam. So at that point I began to study Islam. If I had not read that book, I don't think that I would have studied Islam at all because I had been raised not to.

But when I read about Malcolm X and I and I read his autobiography, well, that opened the door for me to read about Islam. And then once I read once that door opened, I just went through that door and I never came back.

Very interesting. At this point, I've got to ask you a question then. Having gone through the journey of, you know, conversion and becoming a Muslim, and having studied in Islam, even going as far as to change your name. A Muslim friend of mine said to me about, I don't know, two, three, four months ago, he said he asked me a question which I couldn't answer because I'm a circular person. He said, Ereti, why what has Islam done so wrong that is so demonized?

What in your opinion is the answer to that?

Oh, well, it's not a question of what Islam has done wrong. It's a question of what the West has done wrong that Islam has done right, and they don't want you to know that. The the the problem about Islam is that it is a civilizational force that is a counterweight to the West. It's a counterweight to western imperialism and western really disbelief and and vacuum of values, vacuum of morality. And they have achieved their their status through brutality and savagery and violence, whereas Islam did not do that.

And Islam poses, an alternative to their system. It poses an alternative to their value system, a successful model for life. And I'm not talking about Islamist politics, I'm talking about as a as a living human being and as a civilization and as a society. Islam poses an alternative to the western model which they need to which which has caused the West to be threatened by it and to therefore demonize it. So rather than saying that is anything that Islam did wrong, quite it's the opposite.

Islam hasn't done the wrongs that the West has done and that exposes the wrongs that the West has done when in comparison to the Muslim to the to Islam and to the Muslim world and to Muslim history.

So it's very much about the othering. They're not like us, so, you know, we will say bad things about them or demonize them.

Right. Well, I would say I'm sorry to interrupt you. But it's it's not that it's not just that Go ahead. They are othering us. It's not just that we are other, it's that we are better.

And this is what they cannot tolerate, this is what they cannot allow anyone to understand or anyone to know. It's just like I talked about before, if you have, if you're a snake oil salesman, you don't want anyone to have real proper medicine. Anyone who's selling proper medicine that's going to actually heal you and cure you and make you better and make you a healthy person, they never want you to have that because they're trying to sell you snake oil. So they will demonize the one who's actually selling proper medicine, they'll tell you that he's selling you poison and so forth because he's the one the the the one who's telling you that. He's the one who's the the poison dealer and he doesn't want you to get proper medicine.

So it's not, it has nothing to do with what the Muslims have done wrong. It has to do with what the Muslims have done right.

Friday the thirteenth, Israel attacked Iran Iran, and everybody saw it. What were your immediate thoughts? Of course, I've seen your videos, the two parts of your message to Israel. But that initial attack, which some could say had been building up, you know, mean, we could argue has been building up for quite a couple of decades. What were your immediate thoughts?

Well, my immediate thoughts was to put it in the context of forty something year relationship of symbiotic antagonism between Israel and Three way, really, between Iran, Israel, and The United States. There's a symbiotic relationship and always has been, or at least since 1979, between Israel and Iran, which is not to say that they're friends. I need to I I I always need to reemphasize that. It's not to say that they're friends, but they have a symbiotic relationship and have for for decades. And so I put it in the context of that forty odd year relationship, fifty years almost, and then of course within the context of the last two years, and the previous what were inarguably orchestrated conflicts between Iran and Israel with the with the the strikes the the retaliatory strikes by Iran for the bombing of their embassy in Syria by Israel.

The than the than the one in April. And so I put it in the context of that, and I and I said in our telegram chat, and if you don't mind me plugging that, if people wanna join and and and join our telegram chat, Middle Nation telegram chat, I'm there almost every day to to discuss with people. Mhmm. It's been at least twenty years since I became alarmed by any, threat between Iran and Israel. Any conflict between Iran and Israel.

It's been at least twenty years since it alarmed me. Because if you're from my generation, you've gone through as you just said, we've been hearing that Iran is gonna destroy Israel and Israel is gonna destroy Iran basically my whole life. We've been hearing that for ages. And of course it's never happened, and no one ever really intended it to happen. So when the June 12, I think it was, when they struck, I go into that with the understanding that there is a ceiling on escalation that will not be breached.

That this is an understanding between all the parties involved between Iran, Israel, and The United States that there is a ceiling to escalation that will not be breached, and that there is another, say, agenda to this conflict. And then I also put it in the context of what I understand to be the consensus of the power structure, which I refer to here as the A National OCGFC, is the owners and controllers of global financialized capital who transcend national boundaries, that national borders. You talk about your your your program is borderlines. Well, don't believe in those, and they don't have any. They transcend borders, and they don't have any affiliation, they don't have any patriotism, they don't have any nationalism, they don't have any loyalty to any particular country.

They are loyal only to capital, they're loyal only to profits, they're loyal only to their shareholders. And they have joined hands with the GCC, particularly with Saudi Arabia and The UAE, in a plan for the region. And the plan for the region is one of development, and it's one of peace, one of stability, one of prosperity. And that requires some serious changes in the landscape and the terrain of the Middle East as we have all known it our whole lives. That will mean that has to mean an end to militant groups, the elimination of militant groups whether you're for them or against them.

The regional plan requires them to be disarmed and disbanded and eliminated by one way or another. And it requires Iran and Israel to be integrated into the region, and to cease the symbiotic antagonism that has characterized their relationship for forty years, for fifty years. So I also put it in that context. And I understand that Iran, when they, for example, established this detente with Saudi Arabia, that was in the context of this regional plan. They're putting their ducks in a row to where they can actually make this happen.

The the all of the prerequisites that are necessary for the stabilization and the development of the region are being put in place now, one by one. You've seen how really, functionally, Iran has cut loose Hezbollah, they cut loose Hamas, They haven't entirely cut loose the Houthis, but that's because the Houthis anyway already have operated with relative autonomy. I think that the West has exaggerated the extent to which the Houthis actually belong to Iran or are controlled by Iran. The Houthis are an autonomous entity. They have they have been supported by Iran, but they have a degree of autonomous command authority.

So, Iran is making the necessary changes to facilitate a better relationship with the region. Because you have to understand, again, whether you and I like it or not, whether you and I agree with it or not, this is the way that the region feels. The region does not look at Iran much differently than they look at Israel. They see that Iran has been a destabilizing actor in the region. They see that it has been an expansion minded actor in the region, and it has largely spread its influence by means of militant proxies that have targeted Sunni Muslims more than anyone else.

So there is a great deal of animosity between The Gulf States and of course in Iraq as well, to one extent or another, inside of Lebanon, inside of Syria, there's a great deal of animosity towards Iran and they have a very deep hole of distrust that they have to get themselves out of. Again, this is whether you and I agree with it or not, this is the feeling in the region. And Iran understands that they have to get out of that hole of distrust, and they have to find a way to repair their relationship with the Arab world, with the wider region, with the GCC and with the Levant, what we call B'ilat Hashem, Greater Palestine, Lebanon, Syria and so forth. And they are doing the changes necessary. They're doing the necessary changes.

I I believe that they are acting in good faith. But they are absolutely walking through a minefield, domestically and regionally. I think that Iran has a very difficult task, and I think that the GCC, including, of course, the the main players being Saudi Arabia and The UAE, and I believe that BRICS, because this is all aligned now, we have the GCC, we have all the initials, we have the OCGFC, the owners and controllers of global financialized capital, and you have BRICS, and you have the GCC. These are all the players that are involved in planning for the region. And I believe that BRICS also would like to see, the GCC would definitely like to see, and the OCGFC would like to see a different regime in Iran.

But they are giving Iran a chance to change its own regime by the way it operates, so that it doesn't have to be overthrown or toppled. I think that no one wants to see it toppled in a violent way, in an aggressive way, because that would be devastating for the region. And I think that even though they have a contingency plan for if we have to do it that way, we'll do it that way, but that would mean delaying the development of the region for at least twenty years. And I don't think anybody wants to wait that long. So they're giving Iran an opportunity to change its own behavior in the region and to change its own internal dynamics.

But Iran needs help in changing its own dynamics because you have some hardliners. You have the IRGC hardliners. And I think that they need to defang those elements within their own structure. But it's much easier, it's much safer to let someone else defang you than for you to defang yourself because you would face severe domestic opposition and uprising if they if if the Iranian regime appears to be softening when they've built their whole aura, they've built their whole ethos on resistance. Right.

So so the the ethos that they created for themselves has trapped them. They have to maintain this persona and this posturing that makes it very difficult for them to change. And this is where the symbiotic antagonism becomes useful because you can you can have the so called destruction of their nucleosides. Okay. Well, we can't pursue that anymore.

You can have hard line members of the IRGC eliminated by Israel. Okay. Well, unfortunately, these people are gone. You know, this is the position that Iran can take because we can't take them out ourselves. We can't retire them ourselves because there would be a public outcry.

But we can utilize the forty year long symbiotic antagonism to eliminate people that we need eliminated but can't do it ourselves.

Thank you. We I really wish we I wish we had booked you for two hours, but I'm sure you would have said no. I so where does it's interesting what you say. You said, you know, Iran has kind of, you know, offloaded Hamas and everything. And then I need to ask you, where does the palace or where does the freedom of Palestine sit in all of this?

One of the things that that you talked about in your message to Israel, you said, look. You are allowing those who exiled you, those who ostracized you, those who abused you and are healy annihilated you to use you to perpetrate a genocide. I'm gonna give you two minutes because I've still got loads of questions, and we're almost running out of time already. How explain that to us. Unpack that to us within what you've just said about Iran because we've all always thought, oh, Iran well, at least that's what we're told.

Iran supports Hamas, therefore, you know, Palestine is center to all their, you know, fights, if you like.

Well, I mean, you have to you have to understand that most of what passes for geopolitical analysis is just narrative spinning. And you have to try to you have to try to look past the narratives and look at real existing power dynamics and look at real outcomes. Look at what is has actually happened. Try to look at the facts. The fact of the matter is, for example, with with the rhetoric about Iran and Hamas, Iran has not actively supported Hamas for many many years.

In fact, Hamas has been supported primarily by Qatar ever since they became the government in Gaza. They've been supported by Qatar. There isn't a single building that has been built in Gaza that was built by Iran. They haven't put one brick on top of another inside of Gaza. So all of the rhetoric about Gaza and Palestine being extremely important to Iran is a narrative.

It's it's a it's a narrative of resistance that gives Iran a credibility and a legitimacy in a region that does not like them.

Right. Interesting. We heard Khamenei, Ayatollah Khamenei talk, you know, in his speech when he finally came out of what we're told was the bunker. He talked about victory, and he mocked The US's claims of destroying their nuclear sites. Yes.

I see you smiling. What do we believe? The you know, do we believe Donald Trump? Do we believe the Ayatollah? Who is telling us the truth?

Are you being fooled to believe either one? They don't politicians don't tell the truth. You'll never hear the truth from a politician unless you're another politician or unless you're the owner of that politician, meaning from the business sector, from the private sector. The politician's job is not to tell the truth ever. That's that's what they're good at, that's what they're skilled for, that's their job.

Khamenei obviously again has to appeal to his domestic audience. Now with regards to what factually probably happened, obviously their nuclear facilities have not been destroyed. This is obvious. The what's known is that they were even informed by The United States prior to the attack on the nuclear facilities so they knew in advance that it was gonna happen. See, this is what I mean.

This is choreography, this is not conflict. And thank goodness it is. You see, this is this is the thing. People When I say that, think that I am berating Iran or I'm saying that they're hypocritical or something like this. No.

They're acting very wisely and I admire that, and I respect that. They are Iran is extremely intelligent and pragmatic and realistic in how they approach their political circumstances and conditions in the region. I respect it immensely. And and and Alhamdulillah, and thank goodness and thank God that the escalation wasn't real, that the conflict wasn't real, that there was never any real danger of World War three, and everyone who was in our Middle Nation chat knew that while other people were going losing their minds thinking that we're about to face the end of the world. No.

We understand what the real pipe power dynamics are. We understand what the real relationships are. We understand that that that this was a choreographed event. I know you gave me only two minutes, but the the facilities were not destroyed. Iran still has a nuclear capacity and they still will have a nuclear capacity.

And by the way, America will help them with a civilian nuclear program. They just announced that. America is gonna help Iran now with maybe $30,000,000,000 lifting of sanctions to help Iran have a civilian nuclear program. This is choreography. The whole point here is to try to remove what was obliterated.

Let me tell you. This is the simple way to put it. What was obliterated was not Iran's nuclear capacity

Mhmm.

But the threat narrative around that nuclear capacity. That was what was eliminated. That was what was obliterated. And that's why Trump is insisting on that despite even what his own intelligence experts are leaking to the public. What his own intelligence experts are saying that no, the facility was not destroyed.

Khamenei is saying that the facility was not destroyed. The Israelis are saying that the facility was not destroyed. Everyone knows that it wasn't destroyed. But what was destroyed was destroyed by Donald Trump's statement that the threat is over. That that was the whole point of this, was to destroy the threat narrative of Iran.

Indeed. Let's talk about impunity. We you know, even in one of your your your monologue, you said, you know, we're looking at at least a 100,000 dead in Gaza. Israel, you know, despite the fact that Benjamin Netanyahu is there's a warrant for him. Karim Khan, the prosecutor, has been threatened both by The United Kingdom, and he's had sanctions on him, etcetera.

What can we expect as a sort of, how do you say, you know, a redress, a justice for what we're seeing right now? Because, of course, the Hamas police bureau members are are dead, who have warrants against them. Netanyahu and Yohav Gallant are still very much alive. What can we expect, or should we not be expecting anything at all? Is this just a case of they're going to get away with the war crimes and that stat?

By all appearances now again, I feel I have to, preface what I say by a kind of a disclaimer because I think that I'm I I I often maybe come across as cold when I discuss these matters because I'm just talking about what is the most probable thing. I'm not saying what I want to have happen, and and the way that I think things should go, but the way that things will most likely go. Just trying to make a factual observation. Most likely, there will be no accountability for Netanyahu. Most likely, he will not be handed over to the ICC.

Most likely, he has already negotiated his exit from Israeli politics. And and that has been and you see now, I just saw today that Trump is calling for the is is saying that Israel should shut all of the cases domestically that they have against Netanyahu because he's up against many cases of corruption and so forth inside of Israel, that could see him put in jail in Israel. And and Trump is calling for those cases to be dismissed as if it's his to do. And I think that that signals that they are trying to, prepare an off ramp for Netanyahu that he will agree to, and I'm not, there's no way that he's going to agree to an off ramp that that leads directly into a jail cell. So Netanyahu will most likely be freed of the charge freed of the charges.

I mean, there's a few different timelines as as young people would talk about today in the multiverse. Right? There's there's a few different timelines that could develop. One would be that he will go to jail in Israel, for the crimes that he's committed, you know, the the the much much lesser crimes that he's committed than the genocide that he's committing actively in in Gaza. The corruption charges and so forth.

So he could go to jail in Israel. He could also, on an ideal timeline, he'd go to the ICC and we'd see him wheeled in on a wheelchair and an oxygen tank pretending that he's too sick to stand trial. That could happen, and we hope that it does. Another thing that could happen which is probably far more likely is that he will just get sanctuary somewhere else in the world in a third country. Maybe The United States is the obvious choice, although I don't think that his life would be worth living in The United States given the the pro Palestinian sentiment among the common people.

Could be Azerbaijan, could be Hungary, could be Argentina. And I think that that you have to look at, for example, some of the countries that have come out and and said have have stated publicly, we would not arrest him if he was here. That's signaling to The United States and to Israel, you can get rid of him over here. You can dump him over here and and and that'll be fine. So you can offer him that out.

You can offer him that off ramp. But, I think that that either way, his his political future is finished with regards to accountability. Now here's the other thing, this is the only thing that makes me a little bit dubious about being dismissive about the possibility of accountability for Netanyahu. That is that recently in an interview with Turkey Al Faisal, who was a former intelligence chief in in Saudi Arabia, and a very brilliant man. He talked about how Saudi Arabia has required the establishment of a Palestinian state in order for them to recognize Israel and for to to normalize relations.

The establishment of a Palestinian state is the prerequisite. But in that interview, he added the condition which was the prosecution of the guilty. So it's possible that Saudi Arabia would be negotiating for yes. We want consequences for the war criminals. It's not just that we start a process for the establishment of a Palestinian state.

This is

That process must include justice.

Before we go further, I'll go back to my other question, let me ask you now. Do you think we are watching the road to a free Palestine and possibly the end of Zionism as it might be called it last year. What do you think? It's not going to happen in a lifetime. Perhaps our children's lifetime will perhaps never.

Oh, it will happen in our lifetime, and it will happen soon. Everything all all events, like to to sort of paraphrase Hamlet, all events inform against Zionism. The region is going to be Israel, so called, is going to be de Zionized. And that's part of what we're seeing. That's all of what we're seeing now is the process of preparing the groundwork for the de Zionization of Israel.

The the the the preparing the groundwork for the integration of Israel into the region and a transfer of Israel's dependency on The United States. That dependency is gonna be transferred to The Gulf. Gonna be transferred to the GCC. Israel is gonna have a new boss, it's gonna have a new landlord, and it's gonna be in Arab. And and this this Jewish supremacy ideology obviously cannot last in those circumstances.

And I think that we're going to see we're already seeing, in fact, a relatively breathtaking depopulation of Israel by hardline Zionists. They're fleeing. They were fleeing by the tens of thousands during just a twelve day conflict with Iran. They've been they've been fleeing that country, so called country, ever since the genocide began. And the economic toll that all of this has taken on Israel, is also causing, more people to flee.

So, I think that we will definitely see the end of Zionism. You know, as a as a as a sort of geopolitical forecaster, I was just talking about this again in in our discussion group. When you see the way things are going, it's a little bit like watching a ball fall down the stairs. I don't need to watch the ball all the way to the bottom. I know where it's going.

So I've already closed the book on the on the inevitable outcome on that. So for me, I've already closed the book on the inevitable outcome of Zionism, which is that for me, functionally, it's already over because it has no life left. It has no options left. It has nowhere it can go. It has nowhere it can develop.

And once those Zionists leave Israel and go to another country, they won't be Zionists once they land. As soon as they get off that plane, they won't be Zionists anymore. They're gonna do everything that they can to try to integrate and assimilate into whatever country that they go to because they know that everyone in the world hates Zionists, everyone in the world hates what Israel has done, everyone in the world sees them as monsters, so they're gonna do everything that they possibly can once they get to a third country to renounce all of that and to disavow all of that. So there's no future for Zionism whatsoever, and and, it's long overdue.

You said politicians never tell the truth. Why then does the world allow the biggest liars to rule the world? Okay. So I'm gonna give you two minutes on all those three questions. I have to because the lines are going crazy.

And I'm glad you're smiling because you seem to understand my problem.

Why does the world allow liars to rule the world? Well, they don't. Liars are the interface between the people and the people who are actually ruling. Because the people who are actually ruling today, this maybe hasn't always been the case, but then also it wouldn't have always been the case that the rulers were liars. But today, the politicians must be liars because they're not working for the population and the population is supposed to think that they are.

The rulers or the the the politicians are just the interface between the private sector, ruling elite, and the population. They can't tell you directly. Morality, we don't care about your life, we don't care about your quality of life, your standard of living, your taxes, your cost of living, we don't care about any of those things, we just want to make money. They can't just come out and say that, So they have to use the politician as a translator to to, spin narratives for you that make you think that everything that your government is doing is for good and right and freedom and justice and so forth when it has nothing to do with that. But they the the the liars are necessary because the actual, ruling elites are are are not the ones that you see as your rulers.

Do you think the Americans who are big supporters of Zionism will allow Zionism to go?

Oh, yeah, absolutely. I think that we we we give way too much credit to very superficial ideologies that are not actually based on belief. And that and that you can actually track the fabrication of those ideologies. You can look at when they started to believe this, when they started to teach this, and when they started to indoctrinate people into this. That means that this is not a deeply held belief and it can all be undone.

And it's the same inside of Israel as well. They've been teaching their people extremist ideologies in their schools for generations. They can just stop doing that and and you see already, like I said, right now, I'll give you an example. Right now, when Israelis go to Dubai, and there's a lot of them in Dubai. When Israelis go to Dubai and they get identified as Israelis, they are rightly castigated and chastised by anyone in Dubai who recognizes that this person is Israeli.

What is his immediate response to that chastisement? They have been literally must be a script. Wallahi, it must be a script that they're told by their own, foreign ministry. When you go to Dubai and anyone says anything like that to you or you face any, aggression or hostility, tell them this because they all say this universally, uniformly, I support what you support. This is a phrase that they use whenever they are confronted about about being from Israel.

I support what you support. They will drop their ideology as like a bad habit because anyway that's what it is. They'll drop their ideology like a bad habit. And the same goes for you're probably referring to, for example, the so called Christian Zionists and and of course APAC, and there's a whole ecosystem of lobbying groups and so forth and media groups. There's a whole ecosystem, that is based on, raising money, on the basis of supporting Israel.

That you have to understand what that what that that's what it is. It's a money making ecosystem. It's not it's not actually a system of influence. It's taking advantage of a preexisting policy that would exist with or without the Zionist lobby. And the Christian Zionists will also change their position the minute it's no longer in America's interests to be supportive of Zionism.

Because it comes down to what you're supporting is American policy. That's

all. Thank you. Sherwood, I'm going to give you a minute because I still haven't asked you a question about mom's dining. Wanted your opinion or if you could do all of that in a minute at thirty because they're screaming at me already. You've gotta go soon.

You're asking me about mom Dani in New York?

Yeah. But that's not the most important. The first one the first question from my caller was you are wrong that you can't separate Judaism from Zionism. And the second caller said, Palestine will never be free in the next two years that you're wrong. I'd like you to respond for that.

And my question is, any comments on ma'am Dani? Zoran ma'am Dani from New York. Yeah. So I'm gonna give you a minute and a half.

Okay. Well

from ma'am Dani from

New York. With regards to

give you a minute and a half.

Okay. With regards to the freedom of Palestine, I didn't say two years. I didn't give a timeline. So you can't say that I'm wrong about something I didn't say. But Palestine is going to be free and it is going to be liberated and you're gonna they're they're already talking about starting a cease fire in Gaza, which is which is leading into talks for the recognition by Israel of a Palestinian state.

That's already happening. So you're actually behind the times. That's already being announced now. And the the stepping down of Hamas and that Gaza will be governed by regional powers, and that the negotiations are going to be participated in by the regional powers. So you're already behind the times in terms of what's actually happening.

It's going to start with a two state solution framework for the negotiations, but events in the West Bank, there's already a built in self destruct trigger in the West Bank for two state negotiations. So they're going to hit a roadblock when it comes to the West Bank issue and that's going to now lead into changing the framework into a one state solution, and we're gonna see that in my lifetime. I hope that my lifetime is gonna be longer than two years, but it will be at least sometime within my lifetime Insha'Allah. With regards to the with with regards to the man who said that I'm wrong, that Judaism can't be separated from Zionism, you have a right to your opinion. Everyone has a right to be mistaken.

With regards to I don't have a lot to say about Mamdani. I think that he's a politician like any other. I think that it signals, because in the in the campaign, they were really pushing the Zionist narrative and trying to get him to be on board with Israel and so forth and really highlighting that. And I think that that very much worked against them. And I think so it signals also that you are seeing now a change in the representation within the power structure with regards to conformity with the historical position in support of Israel.

And that is all part of what I've been talking about, is the regional plan for the region.